David: [upbeat music] It does not matter what you've done.
Seth: Right.
David: It literally doesn't matter what you've done.
Seth: Right.
David: It doesn't matter how... You could be responsible for killing God himself, and he would forgive you. [laughs]
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Like, I mean, and that's what's amazing, that he chose, like, someone like Paul-
Seth: Right
David: ... who, who did murder Christians.
Seth: Yeah, and when Jesus met him, he said, "Why are you hurting me?"
David: Right. And, and it's a person like that, that Jesus not only forgives, but elevates and uses.
Intro: [upbeat music] Welcome to the Spoken Gospel podcast. Spoken Gospel is a ministry that's dedicated to speaking the gospel out of every corner of scripture. In Luke 24, Jesus told his disciples that every part of the Bible is about him. In each episode, hosts David and Seth work through a passage of scripture to see how it's all about Jesus and his good news. Let's jump in.
David: [upbeat music]
David: Well, welcome everybody to Good Friday. This is our walk through Holy Week. Yesterday we were in-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... Maundy Thursday, the day that Jesus reoriented the Passover meal toward his death, his own body and blood.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And today we are talking about the day Jesus was crucified.
Seth: Yeah.
David: One of the most important days in the history of the universe. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. I said this at the end of yesterday, but this is the day that feels like so much happens, so much is contained within the crucifixion of Jesus that-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... especially a 15-minute podcast feels like-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... oh, man.
David: How are we-
Seth: We will say less than the day deserves.
David: Yes-
Seth: Uh
David: ... we will. So we'll just, we'll state that at the beginning.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: That we are here to just kind of provide some meditation and some-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... clarity and some teaching, but will not be able to-
Seth: It's-
David: ... communicate the gravitas-
Seth: It's-
David: ... of everything that happened on this day. So, uh, we kinda left off yesterday, Maundy Thursday, with Jesus being betrayed by Judas, taken away, beaten until the sun rises.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Uh, and now he's in the hands of who?
Seth: The day ends with Jesus being accused of blasphemy by the Jewish court system.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: But the Jewish court system has no right to execute anybody.
David: Right, because they're under Roman power.
Seth: Under Roman power.
David: And Rome, only Rome can approve execution, capital punishment.
Seth: Right. But Rome has different standards for the death penalty-
David: Mm
Seth: ... than Jews might. Blasphemy would not be on their radar.
David: They'd be like, "Eh, I don't really care." [laughs]
Seth: So the religious establishment has to make up charges against Jesus.
David: Right. They call him a tax evader, right?
Seth: They call him a tax evader.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Um, and an insurrectionist-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... uh, claiming to be the king of the Jews.
David: Which if you're going to try to get Rome to kill somebody, those are the two to go for.
Seth: [laughs] Tax evasion.
David: Tax evasion, 'cause Rome loved their taxes.
Seth: Yes.
David: And two, insurrectionist, someone threatening the Pax Romana, the peace of Rome.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Those two things will get you killed-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... in Rome.
Seth: That's right.
David: That's right.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: Yeah. So they bring those charges against him, but they're having trouble with it sticking.
Seth: Right. Jesus, one, never said it.
David: Right.
Seth: But he also never denies it.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Uh, so anyway-
David: Especially the King of the Jews thing
Seth: ... the King of the Jews thing.
David: Right, yeah.
Seth: But what they do... So Pilate says, "Okay, I'll see, I'll see your case."
David: Okay.
Seth: The Roman governor at the time.
David: So this is Roman governor at the time, Pontius Pilate, sees the case, hears the evidence, and comes to the conclusion-
Seth: That-
David: ... especially when you read Luke's narrative-
Seth: That's right
David: ... that Jesus is innocent par excellence. He can find-
Seth: That's right
David: ... nothing to bring against Jesus.
Seth: Right.
David: Right.
Seth: He's claiming that his kingdom is not of this world, which means that-
David: He's not trying to usurp Roman power, earthly power
Seth: ... so there's, he's doing nothing wrong.
David: Right.
Seth: And so Pilate correctly perceives that the Pharisees are trying to use his execution system to benefit their agenda.
David: Yes. But then he also knows that there's a delicate peace in the balance here.
Seth: Yeah.
David: He has to play politics.
Seth: Right.
David: And so if he just says, "You know what? Everybody get over it. I'm releasing Jesus," he'd have a mutiny on his hands.
Seth: Right.
David: And so he tries to play politician, and he gives them what he thinks will be an out, a, an olive branch. He says, you know, "Okay, on Passover-
Seth: Mm
David: ... we have a tradition where I release one of your Jewish prisoners."
Seth: That's right.
David: Right?
Seth: That's right.
David: And so he says, "Should I release to you this known insurrectionist named Barabbas-
Seth: Yes
David: ... who is actually guilty of killing and marauding and al-
Seth: He was a terrorist
David: ... he was a terrorist.
Seth: Yes.
David: Uh, trying, but he was trying to do the same thing Jesus was-
Seth: That's right
David: ... but in a different way.
Seth: Yeah.
David: He was trying to bring about the downfall-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... of this evil kingdom-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... but through violence and wickedness.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And he, and he thinks surely he, they won't take this marauder-
Seth: Right, over-
David: ... he's like, over this, this Jesus
Seth: ... this Jesus.
David: So who should I release from prison?
Seth: Right.
David: Barabbas or Jesus?
Seth: And they choose
Seth: Barabbas.
David: Yeah. They choose the-
Seth: And-
David: The w- we, and we always choose Barabbas, don't we?
Seth: And we [laughs] always-
David: We always choose-
Seth: We always choose a little bit of force-
David: A little bit of force
Seth: ... a little bit of self-sacrifice
David: ... over peace. Yeah, exactly.
Seth: Couple interesting things that-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... uh, w- uh, about this is, one, that I think Pilate is doing this to expose their motives.
David: Oh, that's cool, yeah.
Seth: Because he's, he knows that they're trying to use him.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And so he's saying, "Well, then I'm just gonna out you for what you really are."
David: Right.
Seth: You, this isn't about actual justice for insurrectionists.
David: Mm.
Seth: Otherwise, you'd actually
Seth: c-
David: Calm
Seth: ... you would actually keep the insurrectionists prisoned.
David: That's right.
Seth: This is really about your-
David: Oh. He's like, "Here's a person who has the same claims-
Seth: That's right
David: ... that you're charging Jesus against. What do you wanna do? I'm gonna force you to be a hypocrite."
Seth: That's right. That's-
David: Ah, that's-
Seth: So-
David: That's clever
Seth: ... he's very clever.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And then on a kind of theological divine coincidence notes-
David: Mm, mm
Seth: ... do you know what the name Barabbas means?
David: No.
Seth: Son of the father.
David: Oh, man.
Seth: So, um- [laughs]
David: So you have the Son of God and the son of God? [laughs]
Seth: Yeah, son of the father and the Son of the Father.
David: [laughs]
Seth: And they choose the wrong one.
David: They choose the wrong son of God.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Oh, man. That's-
Seth: They choose... Isn't that fascinating?
David: That is fascinating.
Seth: So-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... yes.
David: And what else is interesting, too, is when-Pilate backs him into a corner. The, the people, uh, the, the Pharisees, the religious leaders they end up saying something that's so
David: self-condemning.
Seth: What do they say?
David: They... He, he says, "Isn't this your king?" And they say, "We have no king but Caesar."
Seth: That's right.
David: They throw all of their political allegiance-
Seth: Mm.
David: ... at least publicly-
Seth: Yeah, that's right
David: ... behind Rome.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And completely abandon the Messianic quest-
Seth: Mm-hmm. Yeah
David: ... in that moment.
Seth: That's right.
David: Which is just heartbreaking to read-
Seth: Right
David: ... in the Biblical narrative of a search for a king-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... to finally have the king that they've been waiting for standing before them-
Seth: Right
David: ... and then to look at him and say, "You know what? Never mind. We have no king but Caesar. Crucify Jesus."
Seth: Yeah. And they get a mob to help them in this.
David: Yeah.
Seth: They, they rile up a crowd, start a riot, and get this whole crowd to chant, "Crucify him."
David: Yep.
Seth: "Crucify him."
David: Yeah.
Seth: "Crucify him."
David: And let's talk about crucifixion for a second.
Seth: Okay.
David: 'Cause, like, if you're reading the narrative and you didn't know where this was going, I feel like the crowd chanting, "Crucify him"-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... if you were a reader in this time you would've been like, "How did we get there so quickly? How did we get to the most inhuman form of execution that Rome has to offer?" Like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... it was a... That, that kind of execution was, was reserved for criminals that needed to be made an example of.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, that wasn't the standard way they killed people.
Seth: No. It was like... Yeah. Yeah.
David: That was the extraordinary case.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so, I mean, I'm just trying to, like, inhabit the mind-
Seth: The-
David: ... of a first century person
Seth: ... the best, like, the visceral reaction-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... that I have to the word lynching-
David: Lynching, yeah
Seth: ... is probably the closest visceral-
David: Right
Seth: ... reaction we can get to crucifixion.
David: Right.
Seth: It's this public spectacle.
David: Yes.
Seth: It's a, a form of execution that's a spectacle-
David: Yep
Seth: ... and makes an example of, but shames the person being killed-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... while also being done, to some extent, for the entertainment of others watching.
David: That's right. Uh, to get, a, just a little graphic-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and Jesus was spared this because of the Sabbath.
Seth: Yeah.
David: His body was taken off the cross-
Seth: That's right
David: ... after he died. But typically what would happen was these bodies would be left up on the crosses as these prolonged symbols-
Seth: Right
David: ... of what happens when you cross Rome.
Seth: Yeah.
David: So it's like, you know, the, the, the road to the Pax Romana was paved by a thousand crosses. You know? [laughs] Like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... the, the only way they kept the peace was b- by-
Seth: Right
David: ... under threat of violence.
Seth: By wielding death.
David: And so much so that these, these people that would be hang up on the cross, often they would, the- their bottom halves would be eaten by wild dogs.
Seth: Crazy.
David: And it was just, like, this horrible, horrible-
Seth: Right
David: ... disgraceful, shameful way to die.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so for the Pharisees to, to
David: wield and request the worst weapon of Rome is just one of the, like, the craziest scandals-
Seth: Yes
David: ... I've ever seen. And, uh, 'cause I think for us cross just kinda goes right over-
Seth: Right
David: ... our heads. But, like, I just wanted to land for a moment on-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... what Jesus was being confronted with.
Seth: Yeah. It's very heavy.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's very heavy. But perhaps more surprising than the Pharisees' willingness to execute one of, one of their own-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... is the way that Jesus's death subverts everything about the crucifixion.
David: Mm.
Seth: When he is carted off to be crucified, the Roman soldiers start torturing him. They put a crown on his head of thorns, right?
David: Right.
Seth: They put a purple robe on him. They put a, a, a scepter in his hand made out of reeds, and they all bow to him. He said he was the king of the Jews, and so they're mocking him for this claim.
David: Yeah.
Seth: But then the gospel writers also said that when Jesus is finally hammered into the cross, he's lifted up or raised up-
David: Yep
Seth: ... which is the same type of language that kings would've been described by when they are raised up to their throne.
David: Right.
Seth: So if you've been paying attention to the narrative so far, Jesus has said-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... all the way back when Mary anointed his feet, that he must die-
David: Mm
Seth: ... in order to be the king that brings life.
David: Right. And he rode in on the king's animal.
Seth: Yep.
David: And his journey to his throne has been there ever since.
Seth: Right.
David: And so he got his crown, he got his robe-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and now his throne is a cross.
Seth: Yeah. And he transforms this public shaming-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... device-
David: Yep
Seth: ... into a place of enthronement or-
David: To show that he is-
Seth: ... or coronation
David: ... yeah, that he's going to bring life from death.
Seth: That's right.
David: And then nailed, like, above his cross is a sign, Jesus, King of the Jews.
Seth: Yes.
David: Right?
Seth: That's right.
David: Like, there's even an inscribed title on his throne.
Seth: Yes. And it makes the religious elite uncomfortable because they-
David: They, they say, "Take it down."
Seth: They said, "No, no."
David: Oh, no. They-
Seth: They said it should say... He said he is king [laughs] of the Jews.
David: Yeah. [laughs] We don't, we don't think he, he said he said that. Yeah.
Seth: He's like, "I've written what I've written."
David: "I've written what I've written." Oh, it's pretty good.
Seth: It's really good.
David: He was a clever little guy.
Seth: He's like... Yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yeah. For as, uh, as politically expedient-
David: He- Yeah, yeah
Seth: ... uh, expediency and cowardice, he was clever.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Uh-
David: We're not, like, on Team Pilate here.
Seth: We're not on [laughs] Team Pilate.
David: Okay. [laughs] Um, okay.
Seth: So-
David: Interesting. Yes
Seth: ... when he's on the cross-
David: Yes
Seth: ... he does some things that are very memorable.
David: Yeah.
Seth: The one that most of us think of is that he forgives his tormentors.
David: Yeah.
Seth: For-
David: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Seth: Right. And then in another story, he is hanging on the cro- hanging on his cross next to two other people also tried for insurrection.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Um, and one of them's mocking Jesus.
David: Yep.
Seth: And the other one is saying... is sympathetic to Jesus.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And Jesus turns to him and says, "Don't worry. Today, you will be with me in paradise."
David: Yeah.
Seth: "You'll, you'll be with me-"
David: Yeah
Seth: ... "in, in my new kingdom." And then after this moment is the moment when Jesus dies.
David: Yeah. He says, "It is finished."
Seth: "It is finished."
David: Yeah.
Seth: "It is finished." And then he dies.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And then the curtain in the temple-
David: Right, where he was just a few days earlier
Seth: ... where this whole thing started-
David: Yep
Seth: ... splits in two.
David: Right.
Seth: And so-
David: And that curtain is the p- the place in between the priests of God-The people of God and God's presence, the mercy seat.
Seth: Yes.
David: Right?
Seth: So once a year, behind that curtain, there's a special box-
David: Yep
Seth: ... called the mercy seat.
David: Yep, and this is in the Holy of Holies. Yeah.
Seth: Holy of Holies.
David: Yep.
Seth: Yeah, the, the most sacred place within the temple, and once a year, the high priest, Caiaphas-
David: Mm
Seth: ... would've gone in there and taken blood and sprinkled it on there, and that would've given mercy-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... to all of God's people. So it is packed with a lot of very interesting irony, but deep symbolic significance-
David: Mm
Seth: ... that Jesus' final moments is spent forgiving His tormentors, those responsible for His execution, a fellow insurrectionist, and then the mercy seat in which Caiaphas had asked God to atone for his people's sins-
David: Oh
Seth: ... is now potentially atoning for Caiaphas' if he would accept-
David: Goodness
Seth: ... Jesus's death.
David: Oh, my gosh.
Seth: He doesn't, but that's what Jesus is doing in that moment.
David: Yeah.
Seth: He's saying, "Because I have died, I am the blood that's sprinkled on the mercy seat by the high priest-
David: Right
Seth: ... and anyone who desires God's mercy can have it."
David: Mm.
Seth: That's, [laughs] that-
David: [laughs] The death of Jesus is good news. Friday is good-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... because that death
David: provides forgiveness for those who killed Him.
Seth: He, uh, the way Isaiah says it, "He was pierced for our transgressions."
David: Oh, right.
Seth: "He was crushed for our iniquities," and think about that language.
David: Mm.
Seth: Our iniquities.
David: Right.
Seth: Whose iniquities? Israel's iniquities.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And he's a prophet. He's the r- religious establishment, right?
David: Mm.
Seth: Isaiah, Jeremiah, these people-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... are part of the court system. Our iniquities, the punishment that brought us peace was on Him, and by His wounds, we, God's people, are healed.
David: Mm, so yeah, Isaiah's predicting this suffering servant, this anointed Messiah who would
David: be punished for the things that we should be punished for.
Seth: Yes.
David: But it's not ... What's interesting is it's not that, oh, He got the punishment instead of us only. It's-
Seth: Mm
David: ... but by His wounds, we're healed. It's not-
Seth: Oh
David: ... He got wounded and I didn't.
Seth: Right, right, right.
David: It's I have festering wounds already-
Seth: But I get to be in paradise?
David: But I get to be healed-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and be in paradise.
Seth: Yeah.
David: It's like, it's not only do I escape death-
Seth: Mm
David: ... but I get a kind of life that-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... I would've never experienced.
Seth: You get resurrection life.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Right, that you get-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... you get that.
David: It's like I've heard, I've heard one person say we think about, like, if, if this is equilibrium, and for our audio only listeners-
Seth: Right [laughs]
David: ... I'm holding my hand on kind of-
Seth: Mm
David: ... middle of my, of my body, um, and we start right next to zero.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know? And as we sin, we dip down negative one, negative two, negative three. We keep-
Seth: Keep dropping, yeah, yeah
David: ... dropping down and down and down, and we think that Jesus's death brings us back to zero, back to equilibrium.
Seth: Right.
David: And in fact, what, that would be by His wounds, we're not wounded.
Seth: Yeah, by His wounds-
David: [laughs]
Seth: Yeah.
David: But, but He says, "But by His wounds, we're healed." So yeah-
Seth: It's this-
David: ... sure, we're at negative 1,000, but when Jesus dies for us, we're not brought to zero.
Seth: Right.
David: We're brought to a healing we would've never received beforehand. Like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... without Him, we, we are brought to this new kind of life that-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... we would never deserve.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's ...
David: And, and, and I think what's amazing, too, to come back to your point, is
David: who is Jesus saving in this moment? Who is He surrounded by? Who is He-
Seth: Right
David: ... offering this mercy to?
Seth: Th- yeah.
David: It's not His tried and true, you know, buddies who-
Seth: That's right
David: ... who deserved it.
Seth: Right.
David: No, like, no one is around Him who deserves this.
Seth: Yeah, He's abandoned by all of His followers.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, He's alone.
David: Right.
Seth: Except maybe for His mother.
David: Yeah, and John.
Seth: And John.
David: Yeah.
Seth: He's alone, and so He is offering this forgiveness-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... this mercy to everyone who's abandoned Him and everyone who's made His death possible.
David: Right, and it's like that has to open up something in your heart, like-
Seth: Yes
David: ... to be like, I ... 'Cause, I mean, I am an expert at disqualifying myself from God's grace.
Seth: [laughs] Yeah.
David: [laughs] I'm like, I think everybody else deserves it except me. [laughs] And but what it says is it does not matter what you've done.
Seth: Right.
David: It literally doesn't matter what you've done.
Seth: Right.
David: It doesn't matter how ... You could be responsible for killing God Himself, and He would forgive you. [laughs] Like-
Seth: Mm
David: ... I mean, and that's what's amazing, that He chose, like, someone like Paul-
Seth: Right
David: ... who, who did murder Christians.
Seth: Yeah, and when Jesus met him, He said, "Why are you hurting me?"
David: Right.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Uh, and-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and it's a person like that, that Jesus not only forgives, but elevates and uses.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Uh, so yeah, it's amazing. The circumstance of the crucifixion, it shows you who is qualified-
Seth: Right
David: ... to receive the grace that was earned on the cross.
Seth: Right, and-
David: And it's the very people who killed Him.
Seth: And go back to why was Jesus so angry when He cleared out the temple.
David: Mm.
Seth: He was angry on, on one level because they were excluding Gentiles, people who would've, by, just by virtue of their ethnicity-
David: Right
Seth: ... the Jewish establishment was kicking them out. But God's intention has been that all people, regardless of sin status-
David: Right
Seth: ... regardless of guilt status-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... could be accepted into His temple.
David: Right.
Seth: And so any boundary on top of that-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... is angering.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Why would you put more barriers between me, between me and my people when I don't even count guilt-
David: Right
Seth: ... their guilt in killing me against them?
David: Yeah.
Seth: You know?
David: No wonder He was so mad.
Seth: No wonder He was so mad.
David: He, He was so mad 'cause He's like, "You are excluding people I'm trying to show grace to."
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah, it's beautiful. So it is finished.
Seth: It is finished.
David: Jesus dies. It opens up a path to all who will come to receive mercy from the mercy seat because of Jesus' sprinkled blood.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And the Sabbath day is approaching.
Seth: That's right.
David: And-
Seth: The day that Jesus lays in His tomb
David: ... so they ask to take Him off the cross so He can rest on the Sabbath. He's taken down off the cross and put in a borrowed tomb-
Seth: Mm
David: ... of a man named Joseph of Arimathea, and He's laid to rest, and everybody goes home for the Sabbath.
Seth: That's right. Morning. That's Good Friday.
David: That's Good Friday. Again, I do feel the weight of what you said at the beginning.
Seth: Right.
David: I can't give word to [laughs]
Seth: There's a lot of-
David: What's happening here ...
Seth: there's a lot of different thoughts into why it's called Good Friday.
David: Mm.
Seth: Like, there's not a clear answer to why traditionally it's been called Good Friday. Some people say it's good because what Jesus accomplished.
David: Yeah.
Seth: He gives mercy to people who don't deserve it.
David: Right.
Seth: Which is a good enough reason to call it Good Friday.
David: It's good.
Seth: Um, other people, and I think this is interesting, it's just, it's a corruption of God's Friday.
David: Oh.
Seth: And I was like, "Oh, that's fascinating." But it was like, this is when God does all the work, you know?
David: Mm.
Seth: This is the Friday in which God's covenant, new covenant with humanity, His mercy towards humanity, it's all being done.
David: Wow.
Seth: This is God's Friday.
David: God's Friday.
Seth: This is God's last act of work.
David: I love that.
Seth: I like that, too.
David: Oh.
Seth: [laughs]
David: Because, like, I mean, so after the resurrection
Seth: Yeah
David: ... spoiler alert, Jesus on the road to Emmaus.
Seth: Yep.
David: He says, "I want you to, you know, I want you to look at all the law and all the prophets, everything in your Old Testament."
Seth: Yeah.
David: "And in all of it, you can see why the, the Son of Man, why the Messiah had to die and raise three days later." He's saying, like, the, all of scripture has been pointing to a time that the Messiah would die.
Seth: Right.
David: And God's been telling that story all the way to His day when He would make everything He promised and foreshadowed come true.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And that's why it's God's Friday, is because on the cross, Jesus finished everything God said would be done. That's really cool.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Okay. That is Good Friday.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Tomorrow is Black Saturday or-
Seth: Or Holy Saturday
David: ... Holy Saturday.
Seth: That's right.
David: The day where nothing happens.
Seth: Where nothing happens.
David: Because Jesus is resting in the tomb on the day of rest.
Seth: Yeah.
David: The day of Sabbath. So thank you for joining us today on Good Friday. We will see you again tomorrow on Holy Saturday. [outro music]
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