David: [upbeat music] Like Onesimus going home to Philemon, death could have been owed him. And for me to go to God without Jesus, death is owed me because of my sin.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And you're just like, "Can I just pay the, can I just pay the bill? Can you charge it to my account so that way there can be reconciliation between father and son, master and slave?"
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I just want that for David. I want that for Seth.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I want that for everyone listening. Like, that's what Jesus does.
Intro: [upbeat music] Welcome to the Spoken Gospel Podcast. Spoken Gospel is a ministry that's dedicated to speaking the gospel out of every corner of scripture. In Luke 24, Jesus told his disciples that every part of the Bible was about Him. So each week, hosts David and Seth work through a passage of scripture to see how it's all about Jesus and His good news. Let's jump in. [upbeat music]
David: Well, welcome everyone to the Spoken Gospel podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. We are in the book of Philemon. Seth, how are you feeling about that?
Seth: I mean-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... I was surprised by how deeply the book of Philemon cut me.
David: Yeah.
Seth: I was expecting a book about slaves and masters-
David: Right
Seth: ... and I got a, a book about reconciliation between brothers.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And
Seth: I think personally, that is the thing you need to leave at the door when you come to the book of Philemon.
David: Mm.
Seth: You, you, if you come into the book of Philemon wanting answers about slaves and masters, or what the Bible has to say about slavery, you will miss the point of Philemon.
David: Yeah, not only will you be unsatisfied that the book doesn't have the right answer for you-
Seth: Right
David: ... yeah.
Seth: It-
David: It's not addressing that. [laughs]
Seth: It just doesn't talk about it-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... and you'll miss the beauty of what's happening-
David: Yes
Seth: ... in the book of Philemon.
David: Yeah. So that's exciting.
Seth: Yeah.
David: So yeah, so anybody who's familiar with Philemon, clicking on this episode, while this does have to do with a, a relationship between a slave and a master, um, we're, we're, we're asking you to check your baggage at the door [laughs] and-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and, and, and focus on what's happening in Philemon because I think Seth and I both, um, have just been floored by the beauty-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... and the mastery-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... of what's going on here, and it's one of the most unique places in the New Testament where we see the gospel fleshed out-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... in real life.
Seth: It is the only-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... letter that Paul writes that has no explicit mention of Jesus's death or resurrection.
David: Right, and it's super intentional
Seth: Because Paul himself is acting like Jesus, and he is calling Philemon-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... um, to act like Jesus, too, towards Onesimus-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... his slave.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... pretty profound.
David: So I'm excited to get into it. Um, so what is, as best as we can reconstruct it, what is happening? What's the situation that prompted the writing of this letter?
Seth: So there is as many opinions-
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: ... as there are humans on the planet, it seems. But what happened-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... is Philemon [laughs] is a wealthy patriarch-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... in a Roman household, Roman citizen, and like all patriarchs of his s- day, he owned slaves.
David: Right. And he's probably in Colossae, is that right?
Seth: He is in Colossae.
David: Okay, yes.
Seth: Um, Epaphras-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... planted the church in Colossae.
David: Right.
Seth: And Philemon is the, h- his home is where the church in Colossae meets.
David: Okay.
Seth: Yes.
David: So Philemon's the house church guy.
Seth: He's the house church guy.
David: Okay.
Seth: So he might be in leadership in the church.
David: Uh-huh.
Seth: He could just be the host-
David: Right
Seth: ... of the church. We don't really know, but he's a significant member-
David: Member, yeah
Seth: ... of the church of Colossae, established by Epaphras, one of Paul's companions, and Paul himself will call Philemon-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... a companion, a brother-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... a partner in the gospel.
David: I even read one commentator that said that it's possible that Colossians and the letter of Philemon were sent at the same time, which is-
Seth: Uh, yes
David: ... interesting to think about.
Seth: Yes. Well, Paul, more than likely, Philemon, uh, Colossians, and Ephesians were all written during Paul's same stint in prison-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... either in Rome or in Ephesus.
David: Right.
Seth: Uh, and that's wh- and there's a lot of similarities between the letters, too. Like, it's fun-
David: Right. So it's fun to kind of read them side by side to flesh out the picture.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Okay, so you have Philemon, the h- the leader, or not the leader, but the, the host of the house church-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... in Colossae, and l- he's a well-to-do Roman citizen, like all wealthy Roman citizens, had slaves.
Seth: Slaves.
David: And one of his slaves was named Onesimus.
Seth: Yes.
David: Okay. And what happened with Onesimus?
Seth: Onesimus runs away.
David: Uh-huh.
Seth: We don't know why.
David: Right.
Seth: Um, we're not told why, um, but he runs to Paul.
David: Yes.
Seth: So there's a couple interesting things here. We're told a little bit later in the letter, uh, Paul hints at the fact that there might be a financial, like, problem-
David: Mm
Seth: ... that Onesimus's leaving has caused. So it's po- potentially Onesimus was a part of the household that made an income stream for-
David: Ah
Seth: ... like, maybe he ran a small business for Philemon.
David: Right, and him leaving is bringing economic hardship to Philemon.
Seth: Yes. Maybe Onesimus stole from Philemon.
David: Right.
Seth: Like, and just took money out of his cabinets and-
David: And then ran away
Seth: ... and then ran away. And then we don't know.
David: Right. And because Onesimus, unlike Philemon, when he was in Colossae, was not a Christian. He wasn't a Jesus follower at that time.
Seth: Yeah.
David: It wasn't until he ran to Paul-
Seth: Yes
David: ... that he became a Christian.
Seth: So the question is, why, how and why does he go to Paul?
David: Right.
Seth: So, which is a, a funny question because, like, so how does, so-
David: Yeah, it doesn't make sense for a runaway slave to go find someone in prison, and they're like, "Hey, who are you?" And they're like, "I'm a runaway slave." "Well, we're gonna put you in prison, too."
Seth: Yeah.
David: It's like, oh, this is a bad idea. [laughs]
Seth: Right.
David: Yeah.
Seth: So Onesimus runs away, and to Paul, I think presumably for some sort of help.
David: Yes, because if you think about it, Philemon-Being the host of the house church, Onesimus would've heard about Jesus, he would've heard about this guy who sent Epaphras to them named Paul.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: He might have even met Paul at one point.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And, uh, he's like, "Okay, maybe this guy who talks about this Jesus, who does these kind things, maybe he can help me."
Seth: Maybe he can help me.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yes. And so he, at the very least, Phile- uh, Onesimus walks 100 miles.
David: At the very least.
Seth: At the very least.
David: To just get to Ephesus.
Seth: To get to Paul's prison in Ephesus.
David: Right.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah. At maximum, if this is during his Roman imprisonment, he walked over 1,000 miles.
Seth: Right, which-
David: Which seems insane
Seth: ... which seems insane. 100 miles, doable for the day.
David: Doable, but it's still pretty crazy.
Seth: But, and then 1,000 miles, like maybe-
David: Maybe-
Seth: ... impossible
David: ... you would, you would die. [laughs]
Seth: [laughs] Yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Um, so the reason is, the question is why?
David: Yeah.
Seth: We miss it. Maybe he's going for help.
David: Right.
Seth: Maybe after escaping, his life is worse somehow-
David: Mm
Seth: ... and he's like, "Maybe I should go back to my master." But under Roman law, Philemon has the right to kill Onesimus-
David: Right
Seth: ... because he's shamed him, he shamed his family, he's stolen from him.
David: Maybe if I go to this man he respects, he can talk him down.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Uh-
David: So in some sense, regardless of why or how or exactly what role Onesimus was trying to have Paul play for him, Paul was, in a sense, acting as an arbiter or a mediator-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... or a, a safe third party.
Seth: Yes.
David: Something was happening there.
Seth: Yes.
David: And Onesimus comes to him and becomes a Jesus follower.
Seth: Yeah. He, he-
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. Paul calls him a son in the faith.
David: Yeah. Right.
Seth: He calls himself a, a father-
David: Right
Seth: ... to Onesimus, who's his son.
David: Right. And he also says basically the same thing to Philemon.
Seth: Yeah. He calls-
David: He's like, "You're also my spiritual son."
Seth: And the implication is that this slave and master are now brother and brother.
David: Right.
Seth: So-
David: Yeah, so the, because of the spiritual, the new spiritual reality that's happened to Onesimus-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... the relationship between slave and master has changed somehow.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And that's gonna be basically the main thrust of-
Seth: Yes
David: ... Paul's argument here.
Seth: But that's everything going behind the scenes-
David: Right
Seth: ... to get us into the letter.
David: That's right.
Seth: So that's what you need to know-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... to start the letter of Philemon.
David: Right. Because now, Paul is presumably sending Onesimus back. With this letter?
Seth: Maybe.
David: Maybe.
Seth: Maybe.
David: Okay.
Seth: Pr- presumably.
David: Presumably.
Seth: I mean, I think it's an interesting image.
David: Yeah.
Seth: If you, if Onesimus
Seth: knows he did Philemon wrong-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... he goes to Paul for help. Paul begins arbiting on his behalf-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... encouraging some sort of reconciliation with his master. He knows his master has the right to kill him, demand money from him, to do whatever, and he comes with a letter written by the Apostle Paul. Like, it's, it's a pretty powerful-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... like, moment of repentance on the behalf of Onesimus.
David: Sure, yeah.
Seth: Um, and also, like, a really
Seth: fragile position, he's in.
David: He's super vulnerable.
Seth: Yes.
David: It's kind of a i- "If I perish, I perish" kinda moment.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: So it's, it's a, it's a, it's pretty, a pretty dramatic moment. [gentle music]
David: I think we're just gonna walk through the letter 'cause it's so short.
Seth: It's... You could probably read it in three minutes.
David: Yeah. So-
Seth: Or listen to us talk about it for an hour. [laughs]
David: [laughs] So it starts off, uh, with a very unique introduction that Paul makes of himself. He says, "Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother." Now, this might sound like normal Pauline language, a very normal introduction, but Paul normally introduces himself as, "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ," or in about three other letters, "Paul, a slave to Jesus Christ."
Seth: And you'd think ab- in a letter about a slave and a master-
David: That would be the most appropriate title for him to give himself
Seth: ... he would call himself a slave of Christ Jesus-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... and start changing the way that Philemon thinks about his-
David: Slave
Seth: ... mastery over-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... a slave.
David: Mm-hmm. Exactly.
Seth: But he doesn't.
David: Right.
Seth: He calls himself a prisoner.
David: Which is the only time in the New Testament that Paul introduces, in the first line of his letter-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... introduces himself as a prisoner.
Seth: Why do you think that's significant?
David: Well, I mean, I, I think at, at the bare minimum, he's trying to show him he... 'Cause he calls himself not just a prisoner, but a prisoner of or for-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... Christ Jesus.
Seth: And he mentions it three more times throughout the rest of his letter, too.
David: Yeah, so it's a huge theme, and I think what he's trying to do, at least in part, I think there's more to it, but he's trying to get him to see what it means to be a Jesus follower. He's like, "Philemon, you're a Jesus follower. The church meets in your home." And he's gonna go on to tell him about how great of a Christian he actually is.
Seth: Yeah.
David: He's like, "Do you wanna know what it means, what it looks like to be a Jesus follower?"
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "It looks like the Apostle Paul, me, your-
Seth: A man-
David: ... your, your spiritual father-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... being in prison for Jesus Christ."
Seth: And what's he... I mean, even the phrase apostle-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... let's, like, not gloss over that.
David: Right.
Seth: One sent by Jesus himself to proclaim the gospel in the first era of the church-
David: Right
Seth: ... is a prisoner. This was what it means to be a sent one of Jesus-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... is to suffer in chains.
David: Right. And so already he's like, "I'm challenging your assumptions about roles, mastery, position, authority, because you think, you're a Roman citizen. You have a home that's big enough to house a church."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "You have slaves. You're a master."
Seth: Yeah.
David: "Look, but you're also a Jesus follower, and for you to be a Jesus follower means-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... what it means for me, that even though I'm a, an apostle, I also am a prisoner."
Seth: Yeah, and I think he's also probably queuing up a little bit of, like, he's, like, loading an emotional gun. [laughs]
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Maybe that's not the right way to say it.
David: Yeah, yeah.
Seth: But, like, Paul will appeal to emotions over and over and over again-
David: Right
Seth: ... throughout this letter to, like, convince Philemon to treat Onesimus as a brother.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And it's like the first line out the gate is like, "I'm in prison."
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's like, I, please show me some sympathy-
David: Right
Seth: ... as a man in prison.
David: Yeah. Okay, which breaches a really interesting-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... topic, uh, which is you have to have your good reading glasses on to read the Book of Philemon well.Because there's so much being said between the lines. If you could visually picture Paul winking and smirking the whole time he's writing-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... Philemon, you'll have a better picture of what's going on between the lines.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And we'll pick up some of those as we go through.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But this is the first one possibly, where he's like-
Seth: He's like
David: ... "Hey, man, I'm a prisoner. Come on, bro."
Seth: Y- yeah, and he's like- It's like, oh, y- oh, man, I do, man, I do-
David: I do feel bad for him. "What, what can I do for you, Paul?"
Seth: Yeah.
David: "Oh, you want me to do this?"
Seth: Well, yeah. [laughs]
David: Yeah, he's, like, load- yeah, I think loading the emotional gun.
Seth: [laughs]
David: It's pretty good.
David: Okay, so anything else-
Seth: Uh, and to the-
David: ... on prisoner?
Seth: N- not... And maybe he's also tying himself in, like, an indirect way to Onesimus, a slave-
David: Yes
Seth: ... whose an existence in shackles would not have been uncommon for slaves at that time. Not that Philemon has chained Onesimus anywhere, we don't have any evidence of that, but, like, a position of marginalization, like being in prison, being a slave-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... those are connected-
David: That's right
Seth: ... in anybody's mind.
David: And it, and it would be possible that if he returned after being a runaway, he could actually find himself in prison.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah. And I think s- you brought up something else that probably needs to be said. Um, like, y- you said, we don't know, and there's no indication that Philemon was chaining his slaves or doing anything wrong. In fact, quite the opposite might be true, that Paul lauds him for being a good man. And-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... and, and in other places, Paul says, like, "Hey, masters, you be nice to your slaves." You know, like-
Seth: W- and why? Because you are slaves yourself-
David: Right
Seth: ... to Jesus Christ.
David: Right. And so we, w- we should probably have the view of Philemon as a good man who treated the people in his household well.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah.
Seth: He... It, it is, it's a complicated picture. Like, we're not gonna talk about slavery.
David: No.
Seth: But, like, give... Like, let Philemon be Philemon.
David: Yes. He, we don't need-
Seth: He's-
David: ... to project onto him
Seth: ... we don't need to project onto him.
David: Right.
Seth: But, like, it's, this is a compli- this has a lot to say to us-
David: It does
Seth: ... if we let it.
David: Yes.
Seth: So, like, presumably a godly man.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: House church. The emotional gun is being loaded for him.
David: Yes.
Seth: And-
David: Yeah, then he starts listing people.
Seth: Yes. And the letter's not just to one person.
David: Right. So you gotta get that outta your head.
Seth: It's to Philemon, our beloved fellow worker.
David: Yes.
Seth: To Apphia, our sister. Most people think that's his wife. His wife.
David: Okay. Okay.
Seth: Archippus, our fellow soldier, and the church that meets in your house.
David: [laughs] So, like, it's, it's all of the Colossian church.
Seth: So you could... This letter is for the entire Colossian church.
David: Uh-huh.
Seth: And the expectation is that Philemon would read this probably personally first, and then he would be obligated-
David: Yes
Seth: ... under the apostleship of Paul-
David: Right
Seth: ... [laughs] a prisoner for Christ Jesus, to read it everywhere at the same time.
David: Right. I think, or-
Seth: Or everywhere meaning the rest of his church
David: ... the rest of his church.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah. And, like, it's, it's a personal letter, but it's on a private letter.
Seth: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
David: And, like, another way to do it is if the courier of this letter came to the, to the church that meets in his home, you know, there would be people there, buzzing activity.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And he's like, "Hey, gather everybody, I have a letter from Paul." And he opens the letter, everyone's there, and he's like, "Hey, it's Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, to... Hey, Philemon, where are you?"
Seth: Yeah.
David: "There you are. Oh, and to Apphia, and to Archippus. Oh, and everybody."
Seth: And to-
David: And then he just starts showing Philemon's-
Seth: That's very possible
David: ... business to everybody. A- and then, and then, and, and so, uh, all the, all the second person pronouns start in the plural. So I'm writing to you all.
Seth: Yes.
David: Let me talk to you all.
Seth: Okay.
David: This letter's to you all. The body of the letter then switches to second person singular.
Seth: Okay.
David: You, Philemon. You, Philemon. You, Philemon. And at the end, he talks about more people again, and it switches to plural. He's like, "You all, you all, you all."
Seth: And so-
David: So-
Seth: And the implication there is, like, Paul's bookended the letter with plurals-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... because it's for everybody.
David: That's right.
Seth: But everything in the body of the letter is for one person.
David: That's right.
Seth: And so by having all these plurals on the outside kind of is a way to load social pressure-
David: That's right
Seth: ... towa- so that Philemon does something specific.
David: That's right.
Seth: Okay.
David: Which might seem weird to us, but this is very normal in an honor-shame culture. Because we, we instead have a moral culture where things are right and wrong.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And we are meant to know those things intuitively in ourselves.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: But in an honor-shame culture, if no one's telling you you're doing something wrong, you assume that you're right.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so for him, he has to be told that he's, he might be doing something wrong in the public eye in order for him to feel the conviction.
Seth: The conviction that he should be doing something other than what he's doing right now.
David: Right.
Seth: Okay.
David: Or that he might do.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah. So that's what's going on. So this is a personal letter, but not a private letter.
Seth: And Paul is, like-
David: Pulling on that
Seth: ... is, like, implicating everybody in, uh, Philemon's sphere-
David: Yes
Seth: ... to encourage him to do the thing that Paul wants him to do.
David: Yes, that's right.
Seth: And so he, but he begins not by making the request, but by implicating everybody, and then he begins to not flatter him-
David: No
Seth: ... but praise him for good things that he's done.
David: Yeah, we have to see this as genuine praise from Paul.
Seth: "I thank my God always when I remember you in my prayers, because I hear of your love and of the faith that you have towards the Lord Jesus and for all the saints. And I pray that the sharing of your faith," or the partnership we have on account of our faith.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Like, there's a, there's a translation oddity here. Your translations may, um, differ, but the important word there is sharing-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... or koinonia, or-
David: That's the koinonia right there
Seth: ... fellowship.
David: Okay.
Seth: Or partnership, which is the way most Bibles translate it-
David: Mm
Seth: ... when it's used secondly. So anyway, "And I pray that our partnership will become more effective for the full knowledge of every good thing that is for us sake of Jesus Christ." So just imagine.
David: Mm.
Seth: You're Philemon, you're hearing this letter, Paul's praising you. You're a good man. You're a loving man. You're a faithful man. You are good towards the saints. We share the same faith. We're partners in the gospel, and I'm praying, and I'm hoping that we'll be even more effective in the future together, Philemon.
David: Yeah. He's like, "Man, thanks for singling me out, Paul. This rocks."
Seth: Yeah. This, this is awesome. "I derive much joy and comfort-
David: Mm
Seth: ... from you, Philemon. From your love, my..."Brother
David: Yeah, brother
Seth: Because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed through you.
David: Okay.
Seth: Just a beautifully genuine praise from Paul towards Philemon. This goes back to what we said before.
David: Right. He's a good guy.
Seth: Philemon's a good man.
David: Yeah.
Seth: However-
David: Mm
Seth: ... following Jesus always means we are following Jesus into deeper acts of sacrifice, love, faithfulness for others.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So Paul is about to make his request for what that additional step of love and faithfulness-
David: Yes
Seth: ... looks like for Philemon, and this is where it's important. Like, for now, a slave owner.
David: Right.
Seth: He's gonna ask him to do something that's radical for his day [laughs]-
David: That's right
Seth: ... day and age.
David: Yeah. And what is the basis of that deepening, that extra call, that further step into the knowledge of Christ, the fleshing out of Christ in your life? It's that, that word we talked about, that, that, that sharing of faith, that-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... partnership-
Seth: Yup
David: ... that Greek word koinonia, which, um, you might know if you're listening to this, you might know that word. A lot of times people call what we do at church koinonia.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know? And it's the-
Seth: I always grew up, fellowship.
David: Fellowship.
Seth: Yeah, fellowship.
David: Yeah, fellowship.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And, but it is this very relational, deep word-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... ah, and that's why we don't know if it's sharing, if it's partnership, if it's fellowship-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... because we don't quite have a one for one for koinonia.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: But it is a relational intimacy where you are sharing. It's almost familial. You know-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... it's like a family.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Um, you know, we have, like Paul tells us in other letters, that we have koinonia with Christ.
Seth: Yeah.
David: That we share in Christ as he shares in the koinonia of the Father.
Seth: Mm.
David: So, like, our koinonia, our fellowship, our partnership with Jesus is part of the eternal koinonia-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... that Jesus and the Spirit and the Father have had for eternity past, and we get invited into that-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... through Jesus.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And he's like, "We are just koinonia people."
Seth: Mm.
David: "We are fellowship people, partnership people, sharing people." And he's like, "Dude, Philemon, for you to be a sharing person, join into the eternal koinonia of the Godhead. Let's go deeper, man. Here's what's next." [laughs]
Seth: Here's what's next.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And I was like, I was ready to go there, but he... We don't get to what he actually asks for another 10 verses. [laughs]
David: Right, because first he has to set the stage for the grounds of his request.
Seth: Yes.
David: It's not only theological, "Hey, man, you have-"
Seth: S-
David: "... shared in Christ," but also, "Who am I to ask this of you?"
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah.
Seth: So he says, "Look, I'm bold enough in Christ," Paul says, "I'm bold enough in Christ to command you to do what's required."
David: Right.
Seth: So I think he's pulling... He's like, "I'm an apostle."
David: "I'm an apostle, man. I could just tell you what to do."
Seth: "You... And you're leading one of my house churches."
David: Right.
Seth: "I could just tell you what to do."
David: Yes.
Seth: "But for love's sake..."
David: Mm.
Seth: And by the way, he's already called him out for being a man of love.
David: Yeah, he called him beloved too.
Seth: Yep.
David: Yep. Yep. He's... Yeah, there's a lot of love here.
Seth: Paul's like, "I prefer to appeal to you."
David: Mm.
Seth: "I don't wanna command to you, I wanna appeal to you. And I, Paul, an old man..." So what's just funny about that is that he's appealing to his eldership-
David: Mm
Seth: ... the fact that he's a social elder to him.
David: Right.
Seth: Like, Philemon is a young man.
David: Mm.
Seth: He is an old man, and by virtue, in, in an honor-shame culture-
David: You need to listen to me
Seth: ... and in a more hierarchically based society, Paul has more authority based on his age and on his apostleship and also on his age.
David: Right. Yes.
Seth: And also as a prisoner for Jesus Christ, as someone who's actively suffering for the cause of the gospel.
David: Yeah, he loaded the emotional gun-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... and now he's pulled, he's pulled the, the, the cock back and he's about to pull the trigger.
Seth: "I appeal to you for my child Onesimus. My child Onesimus, whose father I became in my imprisonment."
David: Mm.
Seth: So Onesimus, we know-
David: Yes
Seth: ... former slave, but had become a believer through the ministry of Paul while he was in prison.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: For... And so important note here, Onesimus means useful.
David: Right.
Seth: That's what his name means.
David: Yeah, useful, beneficial.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah, which is, like, a great name for a household worker.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: And it might even be that Philemon changed his name when he became his slave, and he's like, "You know what? You're gonna be useful, so I'm gonna call you Useful."
Seth: Yes.
David: Uh, and so he's like, "There's this guy named Useful, and formerly he was useless to you," which is a weird statement.
Seth: But he's playing on Onesimus' name to make the point that because he is now a follower of Jesus, he is useful in a new and more powerful way.
David: Mm.
Seth: Onesimus is grown into his calling of usefulness, because his usefulness isn't for the benefit of your house, Philemon.
David: Mm.
Seth: It is be- for the benefit of the kingdom of God.
David: I see.
Seth: He is an Onesimus of the kingdom-
David: Ah
Seth: ... not, uh, an Onesimus of Philemon.
David: Right.
Seth: Does that make sense?
David: So Philemon, yeah, I think so. So Philemon was useful in Onesimus' house. He was like, "Man, you're useful. You do these jobs for me. It's great." Um, and then you ran away a- and, and Paul is saying, "Hey, I want you to think about when Onesimus, the useful one, was in your home. I want you to realize he was actually useless to you because he wasn't a Christian. He wasn't a Jesus follower."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "And he wasn't actually advancing the kingdom at all. Now that he's become a Jesus follower-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... I'm sending him back to you as someone far more useful than just for your household, but as somebody who could advance the kingdom alongside you as a brother."
Seth: That's right.
David: Okay. That makes sense.
Seth: That's what, that's what he's do-
David: That makes sense. Okay
Seth: ... that's what I think he's doing.
David: Yeah, that makes sense.
Seth: Then Paul says, "I'm sending Onesimus back to you, and I'm sending my very heart." And remember how Paul has already described Philemon? As a refresher of hearts.
David: Oh, yes.
Seth: So, like, he's, like, stacking the deck here for what he hopes [laughs] Philemon will do on Onesimus' behalf. "I'm sending you my very heart."
David: So he's like, "Philemon, you are a refresher of hearts."
Seth: That's who you are.
David: "You refresh my heart, so I'm gonna send you my heart, that you'll refresh it some more. By the way, my heart is Onesimus."
Seth: Yes.
David: "So treat him as you would my heart."
Seth: Yes, which is exactly what he's about to say-
David: Interesting
Seth: ... in a second.
David: One, one thing I wanna, I wanna jump back to is this thing he's doing where he's like, "Okay, I could command you-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... to just obey. I'm the apostle. I'm the elder. I'm the old one. I'm a prisoner for Christ. Just do it."I'm gonna tell you to do something.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: He's like, "No, but instead I want you to do it for love's sake."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "I want you to do it because of the koinonia we share. I want you to do it... I'm not gonna say it, but I want you to do it 'cause of Jesus."
Seth: Yeah.
David: And I just think, just pause, 'cause I'm like, that's so interesting to me, 'cause it's the exact same way that God wants us to obey Him. Like, ever since the beginning, like-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... even in, like, Deuteronomy, like a law book.
Seth: Yeah.
David: The Shema, the, the one call of God is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: To listen to Him, to love Him-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... which will lead to obedience.
Seth: Right.
David: It's not just like, "Hey, I told you what to do. I'm God, you're man, do it."
Seth: Right.
David: He's like, "Man, I want you to obey me 'cause you love me."
Seth: Yeah. It's, I mean, it's how Jesus summarizes the law.
David: Right.
Seth: Love God and love others. This is the sum total of the commands.
David: That's it.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah. I just think that's so cool that Paul-
Seth: Mm
David: ... just has his head on straight. He's just... It's so good. Through this whole letter, he's like, "You know what? I could be commanding to him, but that's not how God was to me."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "He didn't tell me, 'Just do this.'"
Seth: Yeah.
David: "He moved my heart to love Him-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... by seeing Jesus. I had an encounter with Jesus, and it changed the way I live. Finally, man, I want the same thing for you. Have an encounter with Jesus, and let it change the way you live. Don't do it out of moral compulsion or because I told you to, or because you'd be ashamed by Apphia and Archippus."
Seth: Yeah.
David: "Do it because you love Jesus-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and because He's genuinely changed your life."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I just think that's beautiful.
Seth: It is beautiful.
David: So I just didn't wanna miss that.
Seth: Paul says, "I'm sending you my very heart-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... to the... a man who's a, a loving man-
David: Mm
Seth: ... who refreshes other hearts. I'm sending you my very heart."
David: He's like, "You know what to do in this situation."
Seth: Y- yeah, yeah. [laughs]
David: [laughs] You... This just fits the bill for you. I just need you to be consistent.
Seth: Be consistent with me-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... here, Philemon. "I would have kept," Paul continues, "I would have kept, uh, Onesimus with me in order that he might serve me on your behalf during my imprisonment for the Gospel."
David: Mm.
Seth: So Onesimus is a partner with Paul.
David: Mm-hmm. Which he has also called Philemon.
Seth: Right.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And he'll say it more explicitly here in a second-
David: Okay
Seth: ... to... as well, but he's im- he's already loading... He's loading the guns.
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: [laughs] So many guns are loaded. "But I prefer to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be from compulsion-
David: Right
Seth: ... the point that you're making-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... but of your own accord, and more importantly, out of love."
David: Mm.
Seth: "For perhaps this is why he was parted from you for a while, that you might have him back forever, not as a slave, but as more than a slave, as a beloved brother-
David: Ah
Seth: ... especially to me, but how much more so to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord."
David: Wow.
Seth: There, there's a lo- it's, it's a packed little... If I was receiving this letter from Paul-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... there's nothing I can do to avoid what he's about to ask me. Because at this point, Paul's asked nothing-
David: Oh, yeah
Seth: ... of Philemon.
David: He-
Seth: He hasn't given the request yet.
David: No, but it's like playing-
Seth: But-
David: It's like playing a game of chess.
Seth: [laughs]
David: And he, he's just moving these pieces and, like, Seth and I love to play chess.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And you just know, even if you're 10 moves away from it, you know when you're beaten.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And you're just like, "Okay, well let me move here. Ah, I can't."
Seth: There you go.
David: "Let me move here." It's like, "He's got me cornered."
Seth: He's got me cornered.
David: Like, he's two moves away from a checkmate.
Seth: I, I remember Philemon's like, "I know who On- Onesimus was. He's a... He ran away. I know what he's probab- I know what Paul's probably about to ask me."
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: "I don't know how I feel about it, but he's appealing to my love, and he's appealing to my partnership."
David: [laughs]
Seth: "He's appealing to the fact that he's a prisoner, that he's my elder, that he's an apostle, that, um-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... he doesn't want me to do something out of compulsion, but for, out of love that's transformed me in the Gospel. And now he's pulling out the providence of God card. Perhaps this is why he was pardoned, so that you could have a better... As a brother-"
David: Oh, man.
Seth: "That's right, in Christ we are brothers."
David: Yep.
Seth: "If he, if Paul is my spiritual father-
David: Oh, man
Seth: ... then Philemon is his... That makes us brothers. Yeah, I can't escape what he's about to ask me." [laughs]
David: Whatever he's about to say, it's gonna be checkmate.
Seth: [laughs] Right. That's right.
David: Oh, okay. That's so good. So what is... Do you think he's in- intuiting this? Like, we're kind of trying to read this along-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... with Philemon in real time. Like, do you think by verse 16 that you would receive him back no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, as a beloved brother?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I mean, does he... Is that the ask right there? Is he already asking him-
Seth: Ah
David: ... to do something right there?
Seth: Yeah, the-
David: Don't receive him as a slave, but as a brother.
Seth: The, the first imperative verb-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... is in the next verse.
David: The first one?
Seth: So, yeah. [laughs]
David: Paul loves imperatives, too. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. It's, like, it's not till verse 17.
David: [laughs]
Seth: "So if you consider me a partner-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... receive him as you would receive me." Receive is the first command given.
David: Receive.
Seth: Yeah, so, "If you consider me a partner, a koinonia in the Gospel, a partner-"
David: Oh, is that the, the, the word again?
Seth: That's the word again.
David: Okay.
Seth: "Receive
Seth: Onesimus-
David: Mm
Seth: ... as a partner in the Gospel as well." As, a- as a brother-
David: Right
Seth: ... as a family member, as a partner in the Gospel.
David: Yeah, and he already knows, like, "Oh, I would definitely receive Paul."
Seth: Right.
David: Like, "We are brothers."
Seth: Right.
David: "I respect him so much."
Seth: And on what grounds? As a partner in the Gospel. So think, think, think about that. Like, Paul is asking Philemon to accept Onesimus back, not... And I mean, he's appealing to love, he's appealing to emotion.
David: Yeah.
Seth: But, like, the final ask is on their mutual partnership on behalf of the Gospel.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Both Onesimus and Philemon are spiritual sons to Paul.
David: Right.
Seth: And they are, all three of them, servants of Jesus Christ-
David: Yes
Seth: ... on the same mission together.
David: That's right.
Seth: And it's ba- on that reality-
David: Mm
Seth: ... on that relational framework, that he wants Philemon to invite Onesimus back.
David: Yeah, the other thing, too, is he, he, he tells him to receive him as he would receive Paul.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Which is like, Paul's cashing in his relational collateral with this master-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... in order to allow a slave to be received as he, an apostle, would.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And I'm just like, that's so interest- that's exactly what Jesus does for us.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Right? He goes to the master of all masters-And as the son, as the advocate-
Seth: Mm
David: ... he is absolutely received by the Father. He sits at his right hand. And then we come into God's court as slaves [laughs]
Seth: Mm.
David: And Jesus says, "Receive them, Father, as you would receive me, Jesus."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And he does. [laughs] Like, we are received-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... by the Father just as the Father receives Jesus. I mean, Jesus said so much in John 15, I think. It's where he says, um, "Just as the Father has loved me, so I have loved you."
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, that koinonia love is-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... a straight line, and it's the same thickness and color all the way.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: It doesn't go 100% to Jesus and then 50% to us.
Seth: Mm-mm.
David: It's the same love-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... that the Father gives the Son that Jesus gives us.
Seth: Yeah. I guess, 'cause the... And that's powerful in part because of what Philemon was legally owed.
David: Right.
Seth: Right? L-
David: Right.
Seth: Philemon, as a patriarch in Rome-
David: Mm
Seth: ... had almost absolute authority over the members of his household.
David: Yeah, absolutely. And he... And in the next verse, he has been wronged, uh, or at least if he, if he has been wronged, i- is what-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... Paul says in 18. If he has been wrong- if he's wronged you at all, and we'll get to the next part, but, like, so yeah, he had all this authority. He's been wronged.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: All this is happening.
Seth: Philemon was under every right to punish him on his own-
David: Right
Seth: ... or to appeal to a higher power, to appeal to a court system-
David: That's right
Seth: ... to litigate against-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... Onesimus. And Paul is telling him, "I don't want you to relate to Onesimus as a social or legal other."
David: Mm.
Seth: "I want you to relate to him a- as a brother-"
David: Right
Seth: "... and as a fellow partner in the gospel first."
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And that transforms how you actually will treat him everywhere else, right?
David: Yes.
Seth: Like, [laughs] you know-
David: That's right.
Seth: So d-
David: Don't, don't treat him based on what you are owed legally.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, actually legally, in the eyes of the state-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... it is concrete what you would be owed.
Seth: Yes.
David: I don't want that to be the basis of your relationship. Also, I don't want y- your statuses, your differing statuses socially-
Seth: Mm
David: ... to be the basis of your relationship.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Instead, let the basis of your relationship be that, that koinonia that you have in Christ.
Seth: Yes.
David: Interesting.
Seth: Yes.
David: So powerful.
Seth: And to go along with what you've been saying about how Paul is kind of, is being a mediator-
David: Mm
Seth: ... between these two men at, in the same way that Jesus is a mediator-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... between us and God, verse 18, "If Onesimus has wronged you at all or owes you anything, charge it to my account. I, Paul, write this with my own hand." So, like, this, he was probably using an amanuensis-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... dictating this to somebody else.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Grabs the pen out of the amanuensis' hand, "I'm writing this with my own hand," signature, "I will repay it-"
David: Yep
Seth: "... to say nothing of your owing of me, even of your own self." [laughs]
David: Oh, my God.
Seth: So he's like, again, he keeps, like, loading the deck.
David: So good.
Seth: But the, the point I wanna-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... land on is, like, Paul is willing to absorb the cost-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... of Onesimus' wrong-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... so that reconciliation might happen-
David: Right
Seth: ... between these two aggrieved brothers.
David: That's right. He's like, okay, let, what, how, let, pick a scenario, right? Onesimus ran a small business for Philemon, and his absence has cost him $1,000.
Seth: Yep.
David: And he, he goes away. The, the bill keeps stacking up on missed, uh, revenue. He's like, "Man, he just stopped making the soap that I used to make-
Seth: Yep
David: ... and, you know, and selling it. [laughs]
Seth: Right, right. [laughs]
David: "I would've made $1,000 by now." And he's like, "You know what? I'll pay it. You tell me what it was. I'll pay it just so reconciliation can happen."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And it's just like Paul's just being Jesus, because, uh, [laughs] that's exactly what Jesus does for us. He goes to the Father and says, "Whatever David owes you, [laughs] like, when he was running away, when he was abandoning his job as, uh, an image-bearer of you in this world to, to, like, do right in this world, to f- make it flourish, to treat others with love and respect, David's really screwed that up." Uh-
Seth: When you say David, do you mean yourself?
David: I mean myself.
Seth: [laughs] I was like-
David: I mean myself.
Seth: [laughs]
David: I was like, "David-"
Seth: You're just talking to yourself. [laughs]
David: David, myself, Jesus, Jesus talking to God about me, and Jesus is like, "David's really screwed that up," and like, "Man, the bill is high." Uh, he's like, "But God, Father, I really want you two to be able to be reconciled, uh, so let me pay the cost so that you two can just be together in koinonia."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And Jesus did that on the cross.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Because like Onesimus going home to Philemon, death could've been owed him, and for me to go to God without Jesus, death is owed me because of my sin.
Seth: Mm.
David: And you're just like, "Can I just pay the, can I just pay the bill? Can you charge it to my account so that way there can be reconciliation between father and son, master and slave?"
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: "I just want that for David. I want that for Seth."
Seth: Mm.
David: "I want that for everyone listening." Like, that's what Jesus does, and Paul isn't mentioning Jesus in name here, but he is being like Jesus-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... by being willing to be the payer of the debt. [gentle music]
Seth: In verses 17 to 20, Paul is writing as if he was Jesus, right?
David: That's right.
Seth: Like, he, this is, like, him being, instead of mentioning Jesus' death and resurrection-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... he puts himself in the place of Jesus.
David: Yeah, instead of being theological, he's, he, be- he's-
Seth: Puts it-
David: ... practical.
Seth: Yes. And so what I did when I was praying this morning, I was just like, I just pretended Jesus said this to me-
David: Mm
Seth: ... about a conflict I was involved in.
David: Yeah.
Seth: "So if you, so Seth, if you consider me, Jesus, your partner-"
David: Mm.
Seth: " ... receive the brother you're in conflict with as you would receive me. If he has wronged you at all, charge your brother's wrongs to my account.
Seth: I, Jesus, write this with my own hand. I will repay it to you, to say nothing of the fact that you owe me your own life."Yes, brother, I'm asking for a benefit from you and the Lord, but I want you to refresh my heart. Signed, in Christ. [laughs]
David: That's really good.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: Thanks for making me cry.
Seth: [laughs]
David: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yeah, did you notice how he s- r- ends it again with that note to refresh my heart? It's his third time he mentions a heart.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Second time he mentions re- refreshing of a heart. And he's like, "So refresh my heart." So who's he referring to, himself or Onesimus?
David: Mm.
Seth: Both.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Refresh my heart by refreshing my partner in the gospel, in Christ, Onesimus.
David: Right.
Seth: He's like, [laughs] he's like Philemon has no choice-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... in this scenario to do anything but accept
Seth: back into his home a man and a brother who has wronged him.
David: Mm.
Seth: That's what the gospel demands.
David: Yeah, it definitely is. I also just can't get over how he says here, "I, I want some benefit."
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: Like, Paul, Paul's like, "Hey, can I get something out of this relationship? I really want a benefit." And he's like, "Oh, what are you gonna ask for? Money? A favor?" He's like, "No, by you accepting Onesimus as a brother, my heart would be so happy and so refreshed."
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, that's how much someone who is bathed in the koinonia of Jesus longs to see reconciliation.
Seth: Mm.
David: He's like, "You know what the best win for me would be? Wouldn't be like, 'Can you get me out of prison?'" [laughs] It's just like, "Can you just, like, love your brother?" [laughs] Like, I would be so happy.
Seth: [laughs]
David: It'd be the best favor you could do to me. That's amazing, which is just the heart of Jesus, like, that Jesus just... It's just cool to think about Paul being Jesus-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... because that's what he's doing, and that we get to see the heart of Christ there, that Christ just so longs for reconciliation, that when it happens, both between us and God, yes, but when brothers reconcile, Jesus' heart just leaps for joy.
Seth: Mm.
David: He's like, "Man, I came, and I died for that reconciliation."
Seth: Mm.
David: When I see two brothers love each other after a separation, I just freak out, and I'm just so happy. I just love that. And He was our reconciler. And then 2 Corinthians 5 says that as we take the ministry of Jesus around, what do we become? Ambassadors, right?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And what an ambassador just does what the person who send him told him to do.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And what do we do as ministers of the reconciler? 2 Corinthians 5 says we become ministers of reconciliation. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah.
David: And we're going around saying, "Everybody, just reconcile. Shalom. Peace."
Seth: Mm.
David: "Unity." Why? Because of the koinonia that we're all a part of.
Seth: Mm.
David: I, I mean, it's just like- Paul gets it, man. [laughs]
Seth: He does. And, like, what's so helpful about the Book of Philemon even up to this point is, like, most of us experience conflict with our brothers and sisters in Christ throughout our entire lives.
David: Right.
Seth: If you're married to a Christian, you, you, you, you, you-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... if you, you get the point. Or, like, if you have Christian friends-
David: Right
Seth: ... you know what it's like to be in conflict with Christians-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... who owe you something.
David: Right.
Seth: Or, you know, like, it's like-
David: Well, imagine how many times this has happened, and people have left the church over it.
Seth: Exactly.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yes.
David: You're just like, "Oh, I've just been wronged by a Christian. It must be all those, all those Christians are messed up."
Seth: Yeah.
David: And it's like, well, yeah, we are, but-
Seth: Yeah, we are. It's like, there's-
David: Jesus paid all of our debts.
Seth: I, I do keep thinking about the fact that Paul... What money did Paul have when he was in prison?
David: Oh, right. He's like, "Hey, just, uh, charge it to my account." What account?
Seth: What account?
David: [laughs]
Seth: And he, and it, what he says is, like, "To say nothing of your owing me even your own self," and he's referring to the fact that Philemon would not be a believer in Jesus-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... without Paul's influence.
David: Right.
Seth: And he's, like, he's counting his salvation as ac- more than enough compensation for the-
David: Right
Seth: ... financial harm that Onesimus has done, and I think, like, that type of substitution-
David: Mm
Seth: ... doesn't always make intuitive sense to me, right?
David: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seth: Like, how can the substitution of my sins on the cross for Jesus really reconcile me with my brother who owes me 100 bucks?
David: Right. Yeah.
Seth: Right?
David: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seth: You know, like, that, like, feels off.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: But Paul, in Paul's mind, it's like the greater debt was paid on the cross-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and that allows you to reconcile it with your brother or sister that you're in conflict with-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... regardless of the monetary, legal, or social complexities of that given moment.
David: Right.
Seth: And I think a mo- a number of commentators have pointed this out, is, like, Paul's giving us a pretty radical vision of what koinonia-
David: Mm
Seth: ... or what a church should be.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: It should be one that's so radically devoted to reconciliation that it overcomes the complexities of a legal system-
David: Right
Seth: ... of a social system, and in, in this particular case, the systems of slaves and masters.
David: Yeah, even economic systems, yeah.
Seth: It's like, like, e- even economic systems.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, the fact that they are brothers in Christ reconciled by Jesus' substitution on the cross actually transforms their social relationships and obligations to one another.
David: Yeah.
Seth: That's a pretty radical vision for what the church that meets inside Philemon's home-
David: Right
Seth: ... is supposed to do.
David: It's like we have so undersold what the gospel is supposed to do to us in flesh and blood in everyday life.
Seth: Yeah.
David: It's like, it's not something you just believe. It's something that changes every relationship, the way you view it-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... the way it operates, uh, what we owe to each other.
Seth: Man.
David: It's radical.
Seth: It is radical.
David: It's very radical-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... that a runaway slave should be received as a partner and an equal-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and a brother because a man died on a cross.
Seth: Yeah.
David: [laughs] Is very r- very, very radical idea.
Seth: Yeah. [gentle music]
Seth: I think-What we just talked about is part of the reason why so many people have read abolitionism in-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... to Paul's writings. This is why the first people to advocate for the freedom of slaves were Christians.
David: Right. Yes.
Seth: They're seeing in Paul a radical reconciliation-
David: Mm
Seth: ... between members, between brothers and sisters, united in Jesus, united in humanity, that demands a different type of treatment than the one afforded to in Rome.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: I don't really wanna go into that, but I just wanna say that's what's happening.
David: Yeah.
Seth: That's what's, that's the logic underpinning some of that.
David: That's right. I mean, to say it another way, is the gospel of Jesus is, is so radical that it not only can transform the relationship between a master and a runaway slave, but it actually has, in history, transformed the very institution of slavery itself.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, it not only overturned the-
Seth: Mm
David: ... relationship between Philemon and Onesimus-
Seth: Mm
David: ... it actually did lead to the abolition of slavery itself.
Seth: Yeah. And I think it's good that we haven't focused on this so far-
David: Right
Seth: ... because ma- the manumission of slaves is, I, I'm, this is gonna sound crazy-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... I think. You know, I'm like, I'm, I'm al- almost a little scared to say it, but the manumission of slaves is almost too low a bar-
David: Mm
Seth: ... for what Paul is trying to do here. Because if the only good news here is that slaves are freed when the social and political forces give them their freedom by legal right, by force of the government-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... then that means anybody that's a slave right now and who can't change their situation has no good news for them.
David: Right.
Seth: This book has to be about more than the manumission of slaves, otherwise it's not good news for people who are actually enslaved.
David: Right now.
Seth: Right now.
David: Yes.
Seth: And if, according to the statistics, more than 21 million people-
David: Right
Seth: ... right now-
David: Not only would it not be good news to people who are enslaved right now, but it wouldn't be good news to African Americans who are living in America just, you know, like a century [laughs] ago, like not too long ago.
Seth: Right. Or the one third of the Roman population at the time it was written.
David: Yes.
Seth: It's like, if it's not good news for a system that can't change, it's not good news worth talking about.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Which is why Paul doesn't talk about the ma- the legal rights of slave to be freed.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: But the reconciliation that must happen because brothers have been united in Jesus.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So here's how Paul ends his letter. Verse 21, "Confidence of your obedience." I laughed when I read this.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Because if you remember in verse eight, Paul says, "I could command you."
David: Oh, right.
Seth: "But for love's sake, I appeal to you."
David: Uh-huh.
Seth: And so Paul has changed his... He's changed the language [laughs] a little bit.
David: Right. He's like, "So you're gonna obey though, right?"
Seth: Yeah, right. [laughs] Right. It's like a-
David: Yeah, like a command has been given.
Seth: A command has been given even though I didn't command it.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It was only by out of love.
David: Which is interesting. It's like, where's the command coming from?
Seth: The gospel.
David: The gospel. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. Which we talked about this in our first John podcast.
David: Mm.
Seth: But, like, John uses that same language to talk about the command is the gospel.
David: That's right.
Seth: So it's, it is interesting that more than one author of scripture understands the gospel not merely to be belief in truths about Jesus, but also a command to be lived out in life.
David: The gospel's not just meant to believe, the gospel is meant to be obeyed.
Seth: Yes.
David: That's good.
Seth: Yeah.
David: That's a good word.
Seth: Uh, knowing, "Confident of your obedience, knowing that you will do even more than I say."
David: This is the, this is definitely a part you need to see Paul winking-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... after he wrote it.
Seth: So it's like, okay, treat him like a brother and even more. Like, I know you'll do even more than that.
David: Which you could speculate wildly as to what that might mean.
Seth: Right.
David: But, uh, and people have.
Seth: Yes.
David: But we'll leave it at that. We'll let Paul's words be Paul's words.
Seth: Well, I think Paul's made his case that he should receive Onesimus back-
David: Yes
Seth: ... as a brother.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And then he kind of, he gives, he gives another turn of the knife.
David: [laughs]
Seth: "And at the same time, prepare a guest room for me, because I hope that through your prayers, I will be graciously given to you." Meaning, when I come, I expect to be [laughs] see Onesimus there.
David: Right. He's like, "So I'm gonna come and check up on this situation."
Seth: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.
David: "Uh, and I know you'll receive me with a guest room and with hospitality. Uh, and oh, by the way, if you receive me that way, I also ask you to receive Onesimus that way."
Seth: Yeah.
David: "So maybe when Onesimus gets there, have a guest room ready for him-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... and treat him the way you would treat me, 'cause that's how I, what I've asked you to do."
Seth: Yes.
David: So he's like... Did he just ask Philemon to let Onesimus live in a guest room?
Seth: I mean, kind of.
David: Kind of, yeah.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: It's like-
Seth: Interesting. So what's the point of the book of Philemon? After all that.
David: Mm.
Seth: We've talked about many, many different things, ways to see Jesus here. What... The point of the book of Phi- Philemon is reconciliation between brothers based on their unity and brotherhood in Jesus-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... as demonstrated by Paul himself. As we said a couple different times, like, there's no mention of Jesus's death or resurrection in this letter.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: It's the only one of Paul's letters that doesn't do it. Why? 'Cause Paul places himself acting like Jesus with the
Seth: every rhetorical, literary, emotional loading of the gun he can pull off-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... to get Philemon to act like Jesus too.
David: Right.
Seth: That's what's happening-
David: That's right
Seth: ... in the book of Philemon.
David: Yeah. And I think we- so say it again, a big point of the book of Philemon is fellowship with Jesus that has been purchased by the gospel changes everything about us. That the gospel is something that we live, not just something we believe. That Jesus is not just a savior, but a teacher. He's not just somebody to worship, but somebody to follow. And they're both.
Seth: Yeah.
David: It's not either or, it's both. Um, and Paul is just being the supreme example of a life changed by Jesus.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Willing to go to prison, willing to pay the cost, um, willing to, to say like, "Man, receive him as you would receive me. I'll cash in all my relational collateral-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... just so a slave would be received by his master better."
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: He's just the consummate example of Jesus Christ in the flesh after he's been raised, of a man changed by the gospel, and he's asking Philemon to be that same kind of man.
Seth: I don't know why, but that phrase, Jesus is ask- is cashing in all of his own relational collateral-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... so that I can be reconciled to God. I don't know why that phrase was so pow- I don't know if I've just heard it-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... phrased that way, like substitution phrased as like-
David: Sure
Seth: ... the cashing in of relational collateral.
David: Right.
Seth: Like, I've got... I've, have a s- a certain number of favors I can ask of God.
David: [laughs] Right.
Seth: I'm gonna cash them all in, so-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... these brothers could be reconciled to you, God.
David: Yeah. He went from son talking to his father to cursed man on a cross saying, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" So we could go from we are forsaken by God to, "My Father, my Father, why do you love me so much?"
Seth: [laughs]
David: Jesus just cashed in all his relational collateral-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... so we could be, have his status before the Father. Uh, and, and, and f- more to Philemon, the point of Philemon is so that we could accord that same status to each other, no matter who you're talking to-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... across, um, economic divides, social divides, uh, international divides, racial divides-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... it doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the koinonia that you have in Jesus requires you, you know? And I, I'm not commanding you here. [laughs]
Seth: Right, right, right, right, right.
David: [laughs] But like, it requires you. Checkmate.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: If you are in Jesus, you must treat people differently.
Seth: I'm also just reflecting on the fact, like we've talked multiple times about the relationship between the gospel-
David: Mm
Seth: ... and good works.
David: Right.
Seth: And it's like, are good w- in what sense are good works a necessary part of believing the gospel?
David: Yeah.
Seth: And what I... what's kind of funny about Phi- the Book of Philemon is like imagine the gospel like Paul-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... checkmating you into doing what Christ would have done.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Like, you know?
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: It's like, it's like-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... it's not commanding you in that sense.
David: Right.
Seth: But it's leaving you no other option-
David: Yes
Seth: ... but the option of the way-
David: Right
Seth: ... of Jesus.
David: I'm not saying you're gonna lose your salvation.
Seth: Right.
David: But it's like, I mean, if you believe this stuff, checkmate.
Seth: Right. Checkmate.
David: What other option do you have-
Seth: Yes
David: ... if you are in Christ? Yeah, that's a very interesting way to, to think about it. And then an- I bet an honor-shame culture person would get there quicker than we would.
Seth: Yeah.
David: 'Cause like, "Who's your dad? What's your dad do?" You know, like, "Who's your brother? What's your brother do? Oh, you should probably do the same thing."
Seth: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
David: Like, it's just like that's what your family does.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know, that's what's been done for you. You've been shown honor.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Show honor to others, or you'll bring great, great shame on yourself.
Seth: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
David: Yeah. Man.
Seth: "Me, and L- and Luke, and Mark, and Demas, we're all in prison together because of following Jesus."
David: Yeah.
Seth: "And I know you've got a great house, and you've got a house full of servants who do what you ask, and you're doing great things by building the kingdom and building... Having a church meeting in your home in Colossae. Can you sacrifice-
David: Yep ...
Seth: for Jesus too?"
David: Yeah.
Seth: I'm like, [laughs] I was like that's-
David: Yeah, that's what... That's the shortest way to say the-
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: ... the letter. Yeah. Yeah. And that is funny, and Seth was just alluding to it there. You were just talking about, like, that's how he ends the letter, is he brings up all his fellow prisoners.
Seth: Yeah.
David: He's like, "Oh yeah, by the way, you, you, you're not alone when this letter was being read. I wasn't alone when I wrote it." [laughs] "And I said it all out loud."
Seth: [laughs] I said it all out loud.
David: "And I got a bunch of people in chains for Jesus here, man. You wanna join us? 'Cause checkmate."
Seth: Right.
David: "This is what it looks like to follow Jesus."
Seth: Yeah. Uh- I don't know why, but I like the feeling of being checkmated into doing the right thing-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... more so than just being told to do the right thing.
David: Yeah.
Seth: I don't know why. I-
David: Yeah, I don't know why either
Seth: ... would rather be checkmated in, by the gospel into doing what Jesus would want me to do, but-
David: I think it's 'cause like I want no other recourse. [laughs] Like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... I want Jesus to be my last resort, the way of Jesus to be the only way I could possibly live in this world now, is just I, every corner I'm just checkmated into like I better j- I have to just love this person, somebody, uh, who like I probably wouldn't even associate with because of our different-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... worlds or whatever.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Or somebody who you're just like, "Man, they really screwed me over," or whatever. It's like, oh, no, I just can't not love this person now.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And like I kinda want no other recourse in life but to be Jesus. [laughs]
Seth: I'm also wondering if like... I think most of us assume we're the master-
David: Oh, yeah
Seth: ... like over our own lives.
David: Right.
Seth: Over... Like, we're the ones in charge.
David: Yeah. And who, who is God calling me to receive back?
Seth: Yeah. And but what's interesting is like as somebody who considers themselves the master of their soul-
David: Mm.
Seth: You know what a master of a soul doesn't wanna hear? "Do what I t- do what I say."
David: Oh, right.
Seth: Like, I don't like to hear voices of competing masters.
David: Right. Don't come to bosses and boss them around.
Seth: Right.
David: Yeah.
Seth: But so what's kind of... It feels almost like graciously condescending-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... that the gospel would say, "Okay. Use your mastery to move your chess pieces, and I will too." [laughs]
David: Yeah.
Seth: "And you'll find out that your mastery next to mine-"
David: You're 1,200. I'm 2,500. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: Those are chess ranking jokes- This- ... for the nerds out there.
Seth: If you've got an ELO, leave it in the comments. [laughs]
David: Yeah, totally.
Seth: Uh, uh, anyway, I was just like maybe not-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... what's on the line in the Book of Philemon, but just... I was like, oh, it's kind of like-
David: Yeah. No, but it is true. Like, we, we play the game, you know?
Seth: Yeah.
David: In life and i- in, in the way we assess how well we're doing in the world and how well we manage our relationships, how many good works we're doing. We play, we play this chess game with God, and we're like, "Okay, if I move here, that's really good, right? And if I treat people like this, that's good, right?" And then he has all these-Expert countermoves that it's like, "That was good. That was really good. Great move. What are you gonna do if I move my bishop here?"
Seth: I know.
David: And you're, "Oh, oh, I guess I'd have to do this." "That's right."
Seth: That's right.
David: "That's also a good move, but what if I move my rook into this position?" You're like, "Oh, now I'm cornered."
Seth: Yeah. Right. [laughs]
David: To view sanctification-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... becoming more like Jesus, as Jesus just getting closer and closer to checkmate until you die. [laughs]
Seth: [laughs]
David: I don't know why that sounds like such good news. People listening to this are probably like, "This sounds terrible."
Seth: What is, what is happening in this podcast? [laughs]
David: [laughs] Yeah, but it's what Paul did to Philemon, and it was, however it was, it was a gracious way for him to lead Philemon into obedience.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Um, and at the end of the day, all he was doing was trying to help him see that his fellowship with Jesus changes the way he lives.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Um, which is cool. That's another way to think about it, is like, think about what Jesus has done for you, and do it for others, [laughs] is another very simple way to talk about this.
Seth: As the wristbands used to say.
David: WWJD.
Seth: WWJD. [laughs]
David: [laughs] But yeah.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah. That's good.
Seth: Well, that was great.
David: That's Philemon.
Seth: That's the book of Philemon.
David: All right. Well, thank you, guys, for joining us. That was really fun. We hope this is encouraging.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Go find the Onesimuses or Philemons in your life.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Go be reconciled with your brothers and sisters.
Seth: Yeah. So we'll see you next time.
David: We'll see you next time. [outro music]
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