Intro: [gentle music] Welcome to the Spoken Gospel podcast. Spoken Gospel is a nonprofit dedicated to the idea that every part of the Bible, Old Testament and New, is about Jesus, and this podcast is our experiment to publicly test that belief. Every episode, hosts David Bowden and Seth Stewart work through a biblical text to see how it helps us see and savor Jesus. Let's jump in. [gentle music]
David: Well, welcome everyone to the Spoken Gospel podcast. Thank you for joining us. We are in week three of Ruth.
Seth: Week three.
David: Yeah, yeah.
Seth: Yeah.
David: We did an introduction, and then we did the first half of Ruth, and now we're gonna do the second half of Ruth.
Seth: Yeah. I like Ruth.
David: You like Ru-
Seth: I, uh-
David: Like, like the person or the book?
Seth: Like the, the story.
David: [laughs]
Seth: I-
David: So you don't like Ruth the person?
Seth: At one point in time, I wanted to name one of my children Ruth.
David: Oh.
Seth: And then, like, when I was like a teenager.
David: Oh, not-
Seth: It was like, I was just like, "You know"-
David: I was like, "How many more kids are you gonna have, Seth?"
Seth: [laughs] I was just like, "Oh, I think Ruth's a good name," and then somebody ruined it for me forever as a name.
David: Oh, what did they do?
Seth: They said like, "Well, what if your daughter's ugly-
David: What?
Seth: ... and they call her, 'Ruth, Ruth, Ruth'"?
David: Oh, my.
Seth: And I was-
David: That's horrible
Seth: ... and I've never not had that on my mind [laughs] ever since-
David: That-
Seth: ... somebody did that to me
David: ... is one of the most belittling things.
Seth: I know, and I... It's like one of those things I can't stop thinking about.
David: That is so funny.
Seth: Anyway.
David: And terrible.
Seth: And terrible at the same time.
David: Yeah. Yeah.
Seth: There's all sorts of baggage that I have.
David: There, yeah.
Seth: Should we unpack more of it before we continue? [laughs]
David: I mean, I can tell you what someone once told me I, I should name my son, that I should name him Bubba.
Seth: Bubba?
David: So that way, every time he says his full name, it sounds like he has a stutter. "What's your name, son?" "Bubba Bowden."
Seth: [laughs]
David: Da-dum-tss.
Seth: [laughs]
David: Someone literally told me that. My youth pastor told me that.
Seth: That's amazing.
David: Yep. [laughs] So, uh, yeah.
Seth: Youth pastors for the win.
David: Youth pastors for the win. Uh, okay, so we, uh... Why don't you do a little recap for us, uh, to get us up to this point as fast as possible. What's happening?
Seth: Naomi left. She came back. Ruth came with her. Boaz gives her food, period. [laughs]
David: Okay, I shouldn't have said as fast as possible.
Seth: [laughs]
David: Give me some dramatic tension-
Seth: Some drama
David: ... that gets me into this moment-
Seth: Um-
David: ... of nighttime espionage
Seth: ... nighttime espionage. Um, they're- Naomi-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and Elimelek left Israel when they shouldn't have.
David: Right.
Seth: They experience another famine in the land of Moab, and Naomi comes back as a last-ditch effort.
David: Mm.
Seth: Her homeland is in Bethlehem.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And this is the only place she knows that she could possibly find a way to survive the rest of her life, even though she's widowless, chi- she's a widow-
David: [laughs] Yeah
Seth: ... she's childless-
David: Childless
Seth: ... and she has no even grandsons.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Ruth comes with her in an a- act of remarkable loyalty, and then sets about trying to provide for Naomi as best she can by going out and gleaning in these fields and working all day.
David: Mm.
Seth: And but in her efforts to provide and be loyal to Naomi, she runs into a redeemer named Boaz, who generously and loyally provides for Naomi, um, as well, like the redeemer should.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: He generously, extravagantly gives out of his abundance for the sake of Naomi and Ruth's wellbeing.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And that's where we are-
David: Right
Seth: ... in the story.
David: Right, and we find out, Ruth comes back to Naomi with her arms full of flower.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And Naomi's like, "Where did you get all this stuff?" "Oh, I was at Boaz's field." And she says, "Oh, my goodness, Boaz is one of our kinsman redeemers."
Seth: Yes. And should we just define what that means now?
David: We should because the rest of the Book of Ruth unpacks this truth.
Seth: Yeah, so a redeemer was something that was set up, is the Hebrew word's goel.
David: Uh-
Seth: Right?
David: Yeah.
Seth: Is it?
David: Yes. Yep.
Seth: Yeah, yeah, and it's mentioned two different places in... It's mentioned in the Old Testament.
David: It's mentioned a bunch of times in the Old Testament, but when it comes to, um, the law functions that are about to be-
Seth: It's in-
David: ... practiced here, it's, it's mainly listed in two places-
Seth: Yeah, in Lev-
David: ... in the Torah
Seth: ... Levit- Leviticus 25 and Deuteronomy 25.
David: Easy to remember.
Seth: So easy.
David: [laughs]
Seth: And really, there's two different functions of a redeemer.
David: Right.
Seth: A redeemer can redeem property.
David: Right, and this will be the, let's call this the kinsman redeemer law.
Seth: Yeah.
David: This is Leviticus 25.
Seth: This is Leviticus 25:25.
David: The, the redemption of property.
Seth: Property.
David: Okay, l- uh-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... let, I, I hate to do this-
Seth: Okay
David: ... but I wanna pause real quick-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and just, let me just define the word redeemer-
Seth: Okay, okay, it's, yes
David: ... 'cause it's a, it's a Bible word.
Seth: Yeah, it's a Bible word.
David: You know, it's like a Christian word.
Seth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it.
David: And it's like, to redeem something is to buy it back.
Seth: Yes.
David: Right?
Seth: To buy something.
David: So to buy something back.
Seth: So a kinsman buyer.
David: Yeah.
Seth: A r- related buyer.
David: Yeah, and buy back, I think, is important.
Seth: A buy backer.
David: Yeah, you can't redeem something that's not already been sold.
Seth: Buy backer Bowden. [laughs]
David: And it's Buy backer Bowden. Bubba Bowden, the buy backer. [laughs]
Seth: [laughs] Oh, my goodness.
David: And so, okay, so anyway.
Seth: Yes.
David: Uh, so Leviticus 25, the kinsman buy backer.
Seth: Yes, and what happens there-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... is somebody, uh, becomes poor-
David: Yep
Seth: ... and they need to sell their land in order to pay for their debts.
David: Yes.
Seth: Um, a relative can-
David: This is like, I mean, th- we do this, is refinancing your home.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yes.
Seth: Yes, but what can happen-
David: Taking out a second mortgage
Seth: ... but the ideal is that that land stays within the clan.
David: Right.
Seth: So another member of that family can come back and buy that land and give it back to, pay the mortgage, and then give it back to-
David: No.
Seth: Oh, I've got it wrong again.
David: Close. No, it's very close though.
Seth: Okay.
David: So, um, 'cause you're, you're, you're already getting to how Ruth unpacks it-
Seth: Okay
David: ... which is better than the law.
Seth: Okay, okay. Continue, then.
David: The, the law version is the, so this person sells their land because they're poor, and, um, they are then these kind of like indentured servants on their own farm.... you know, working their land that they don't own anymore, and then their brother or their uncle or their grandnephew, whoever is rich enough to be their kinsman-redeemer can come and pay off the remainder of the debt to the people who bought the land from them.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But then that r- kinsman-redeemer owns that land now-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... until the Year of Jubilee, when it would then be released back to the original owner.
Seth: Right, and on the Year of Jubilee, all property reverts back to its-
David: Right
Seth: ... original owner.
David: So what would happen to that original seller of the land whose land has been redeemed is that they will continue to work their own land as indentured servants, but they still don't own their land. It's just back in the family.
Seth: Okay.
David: The land has been redeemed. Now, there are further laws in Leviticus 25 that allows for the redemption of the person as well.
Seth: This is, and this is L- Leviticus 25:47.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So if you become poor, uh, you can sell yourself into indentured servitude, uh, into a member of a stranger's clan-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... somebody else's clan. And then after you're sold, you can also be redeemed by a member of your clan.
David: Right.
Seth: So let's just say you're $50,000 in debt and say, "I'll work for you for two years and we'll forget our debt."
David: Right.
Seth: Or a member of your clan can come say, "No, no, I'll pay the rest of his debt."
David: Debt.
Seth: "And he can come back and live on his own land. He's redeemed. I buy him back from you."
David: Yep.
Seth: "He no longer has to work from you."
David: That's right.
Seth: "The debt is paid, and he can come live."
David: He's now no longer a slave.
Seth: Yes.
David: That's right.
Seth: So-
David: Now, again, that would happen at the Year of Jubilee-
Seth: Yep
David: ... automatically, but, I mean, that's like you could be in slave for 49 years-
Seth: That's it
David: ... if you were at the beginning of the, [laughs] of the term.
Seth: That's-
David: So, yeah
Seth: ... that's exactly right. So there's two types of redeemers-
David: So, yeah
Seth: ... that you need to know about before.
David: So that's the first one.
Seth: So there, the property one-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... and then the personal slave one.
David: Uh, no.
Seth: Oh. Oh, is it?
David: Incorrect. [laughs]
Seth: There's so many redeemer la-
David: [laughs]
Seth: We've tried talking-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... about this so many times off the air to get it straight.
David: So that's the kinsman-redeemer laws.
Seth: Yes.
David: Those are the laws, and you, and I, and, like, just, I know this is the worst, okay? But just to keep it straight-
Seth: Okay
David: ... this is the pro- these, these are the property laws, and that includes land and people.
Seth: Okay.
David: So I, I know that's horrible-
Seth: Yeah, but-
David: ... that people could be viewed as property.
Seth: And they weren't in the Old Testament, but-
David: Yes
Seth: ... for the sake of-
David: Just for the sake of gl- lumping them together bec- because you're sold for a debt.
Seth: Yeah.
David: So it's just, it's, it's really the money one.
Seth: Yeah.
David: This is the money one.
Seth: Yes.
David: That's helpful.
Seth: Yes.
David: Let's call this the, the kinsman-redeemer is the money one-
Seth: Yes
David: ... where a debt has to be paid for a land or a person. Then there's the Levirate marriage one, which is Deuteronomy 25.
Seth: Yes.
David: This is the one that's the sex one. [laughs]
Seth: The sex one.
David: [laughs] The sex-
Seth: Money and sex. [laughs]
David: Money and sex. This is a very hot podcast. [laughs]
Seth: Um, yeah, or it's about to get spicy.
David: It's about to get spicy right now.
Seth: It's about to get real spicy.
David: That's right.
Seth: Um, and so in that one, hopefully I can get this one right.
David: You got it. I, I believe in you.
Seth: [sighs]
David: [laughs]
Seth: When a... people become, when a man loves a woman. [laughs]
David: [laughs] When, when a man loves a woman very much.
Seth: [laughs]
David: This is turning into a birds and the bees episode.
Seth: So, uh, if a husband dies-
David: Yes, before having, um, a ch-
Seth: A child
David: ... a ch- a, a male heir to, uh, carry on his name with his wife
Seth: And the property and the land-
David: That's right
Seth: ... and the money.
David: Yep.
Seth: The brother of the husband-
David: Yep
Seth: ... can marry his brother's wife-
David: That's right
Seth: ... have a child with her-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and that first son will become an heir of his brother.
David: The dead brother.
Seth: The dead brother.
David: That's right.
Seth: And that dead, and that son will inherit the brother's land-
David: Yep
Seth: ... the brother's money.
David: That son is not the, the younger brother's son, it's the dead brother's son.
Seth: Yes.
David: And, and the, and the widow's son.
Seth: Yes. Yes.
David: Okay.
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: The, the, the new son-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... is not the actual biological father, it's the spiritual father-
David: Yes
Seth: ... of like, [laughs] it's like, it's, it's now the, the dead brother's son to carry on the family line.
David: That's right. Yep.
Seth: And so that was another type of redemption, and it's called Levirate marriage laws-
David: Yes
Seth: ... everywhere.
David: So go read Leviticus 25 and Deuteronomy 25.
Seth: And then try to s- s- and try to say this quicker than we did to yourself. [laughs]
David: [laughs]
Seth: But those two things are on the line.
David: They are.
Seth: Because in Naomi's case, she is a, a poor woman-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... whose land was left in Israel, and she returns back to it during a famine in Moab-
David: Yep
Seth: ... to an untended piece of land.
David: Right, and one of two things could be happening here.
Seth: Okay.
David: One, uh, which I think we're, we're landing on, is probably the right one, which is that she, she left, uh, maybe left it to a caretaker or something like that-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... but didn't sell it-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... but came back and the-
Seth: It would, it would have been a, Elimelech's when they left.
David: Right. It's, it was-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... Elimelech's when they left. She comes back. Now, now property has passed to her-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... which is kind of unheard of in that time.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But, uh, so she is realizing that she needs to sell the land in order to survive.
Seth: Right.
David: Um, yeah.
Seth: Because she could work it-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... but she's old, and she only has one daughter-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and she can't, and she doesn't, she has to eat now.
David: Right.
Seth: So-
David: The other, the other version is that when they left, they loaned the land out or did, like, a sublease or a mortgage-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... or something like that on it where, um, a- and now in order to, uh, pay off that mortgage or fix that-
Seth: Right
David: ... financial situation, she has to just go ahead and wholesale it-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... in order to pay back the debt that's racked up while they've been in Moab.
Seth: Yes.
David: Whatever's going on, Naomi's in a tough financial position.
Seth: Yeah.
David: She's a widow, uh, with a widower, or, or-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... with a widow daughter-in-law.
Seth: Right.
David: And the only way they're even able to put food on the table is by her daughter going and basically begging in wheat fields.
Seth: Yes.
David: Like, [laughs] so, like, they're in a bad spot.
Seth: Yes. So they fall under the proper- the kinsman-redeemer laws. A relative can buy that field, give the, and give them the deed to it or the proceeds of it.
David: Uh, yeah, or, uh-
Seth: Or
David: ... another way to, to, to view it is that she's putting the land up for sale, and someone could buy that land in their, in their clan and own it.
Seth: Yes
David: ... and then Naomi would, Naomi and Ruth would be under them working the field.
Seth: Yes. That could also happen.
David: Which is the, that's the assumed what would, what would happen in the open market.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: Right.
Seth: That's the, that's the best deal.
David: It's the best deal you're gonna get.
Seth: Right.
David: Yeah. Totally.
Seth: Uh, and because she has no heir-
David: Yep
Seth: ... we're also hoping that Elimelech's line will continue, that God will be faithful to-
David: Yes
Seth: ... the dead by providing an heir.
David: So the, so we have two problems. There's one problem that Naomi is not going to have financial provision because she's gonna have to sell herself into slavery. Her land-
Seth: Right
David: ... is gonna pass out of her name. Um, Elimelech's, um, land is gonna move into somebody else's o- ownership, which is-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... apprehensible-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... uh, reprehensible, you know?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And, um, uh, but then the other issue is Elimelech's line is about to just end-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... which is terrible.
Seth: Right.
David: Uh, I mean, that's why God put in place things like the levirate marriage. And so it's like economically and biologically, she's in a really tight spot, and this is not only, and it definitely is, so I'm not belittling this. This is not only a, um, oh, that poor widow story. It definitely is that.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But this is part of a larger story where God, um, guaranteed this land for certain people.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Like, the covenant and faithfulness and promises of God are tied up into Naomi's farm.
Seth: Right.
David: Like, and her being on that farm is part of God's promise to Israel.
Seth: Yes.
David: And then her having children and, and not miscarrying and, you know, and, like, being able to carry-
Seth: Is part of God's-
David: ... on the line
Seth: ... promise continuing-
David: Exactly
Seth: ... to the next generation.
David: And so God's covenant is on the line.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so the, i- this is, this is, yes, this is economical, but it's also very much theological.
Seth: So in a theological sense, they need a redeemer.
David: Yes.
Seth: They-
David: Oh, and then it blows up even bigger.
Seth: Okay.
David: So there's three layers. So there's the, there's, like, the nuts and bolts of what's happening, the economical. There's the theological ramifications of that, that the covenant is on the line.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But then if you blow out even further and look at Israel as a whole, this seems to be just the state of Israel right now.
Seth: Yes.
David: That it's the judges, there's no king, everyone's doing what's right in their own eyes, and it's like the whole nation seems to be poor spiritually, and they need a redeemer.
Seth: Yeah.
David: They need someone to fix things.
Seth: Yes.
David: Will God's covenant continue through the famine of the time of the judges? [laughs]
Seth: Will God buy, spend-
David: Yes
Seth: ... pay for the debts of his people?
David: Right.
Seth: Will he provide for his people by buying and-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... redeeming for them what they need?
David: Right. And so, uh, uh, with that question, a really important thing for us to point out is the first redeemer in the Bible, the first person called a goel-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... is God himself.
Seth: That's right.
David: Like, uh, Exodus 6 talks about how God will redeem Israel out of slavery in Egypt. He will redeem them.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And he, he will buy them out.
Seth: But they were enslaved-
David: They were enslaved
Seth: ... like-
David: Yep. Exactly right
Seth: ... like the, like the re- redemption laws talk about.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And he pays their slave price.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Um-
David: Through, and he says, "I will redeem you through, uh, great acts of judgment." [laughs]
Seth: Yes. [laughs] He pays them through judgment.
David: Yep.
Seth: And that's what happens.
David: Yep.
Seth: So God's the fir- And so the redeemer laws in general are actually an extension of God's character.
David: That's right. They're a way to be God to one another.
Seth: Yes. How clans and family members can act like re- redeemers when their brothers and sisters and mothers are enslaved or in debt.
David: Right.
Seth: That's what's happening.
David: It's not part of God's heart to have people enslaved. It's not part of God's heart to have people without land.
Seth: Yes.
David: Like, it's, like, God wants you to be free. That's why he is a redeeming God.
Seth: Wants you to have a home.
David: He's a buybacking God.
Seth: Yes, he's a buybacking God to provide you a home and freedom.
David: Yeah.
Seth: So-
David: Yes
Seth: ... that's everything that's built into the phrase-
David: You have to know all that to know this
Seth: ... redeemer.
David: Yes.
Seth: And so let's pause there-
David: Okay
Seth: ... and let's try again. [laughs]
David: [gentle music] Okay, so we're gonna now look at how these laws of levirate marriage and kinsman redeemer, uh, all the buybacking-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... [laughs] um, plays out in this situation-
Seth: Right
David: ... with Naomi and Ruth.
Seth: Yes.
David: Okay. Uh, one thing I wanna point out here-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... is what happens in chapter three follows the covenant ceremony that God went through Israel with back in Exodus.
Seth: Oh.
David: It's a covenant ceremony.
Seth: Oh, oh, oh, okay.
David: Which is really important.
Seth: In chapter three, there's a covenant cere-
David: Yes
Seth: ... ceremony. Okay.
David: Because, uh, God's covenant's on the line, right? Like, that's the issue-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... we just talked about.
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
David: And so really quickly, and then I'll let you kind of dive into-
Seth: Okay
David: ... more the narrative of it, but thematically, what's happening here is, uh, Naomi first repeats two of God's covenant promises that he makes to Israel. She says, uh, "Should I not seek rest for you, my daughter?" God promises to bring the people of Israel into a land where they have rest.
Seth: That's right. Okay.
David: And he says-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... "And that it might be well with you." That it might go well with you in the land is something that God constantly says.
Seth: Yep, yep. She's, yep.
David: So she's repeating God's covenant promises.
Seth: Again, this is a matriar- uh, she's one of the founding mothers-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... of Israel. She's repeating the stories and the phrases from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
David: That's right.
Seth: She's, she's one of the founding mothers of Israel.
David: Yep.
Seth: Okay, cool.
David: And then she tells, um, [laughs] she tells Ruth to go and do what God told Moses and the people of Israel to do before they come up on the mountain to start the covenant ceremony, verse three of chapter three, "Wash yourself and anoint yourself."
Seth: Hmm.
David: Yes, this could easily be read, and probably should be read, as like a, "Hey, don't smell when you go to have your-
Seth: Yeah, yeah
David: ... marriage proposal."
Seth: Right. [laughs]
David: Like, smell good.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But washing and anointing were ritual preparations for entering into a covenant, and it happened at Mount Sinai before the, the-
Seth: Oh, so cool
David: ... the giving of the covenant. So-
Seth: Man, the more we discover in this book, the more obvious it is that Naomi is-Not, is the founding mother of Israel, but she's extending the covenant-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... of Abraham to all nations.
David: Yes, through this representative Moabite woman-
Seth: Yes
David: ... this represented foreigner. So then just like in Exodus 19, after the anointing, uh, they, like, ah, Moses gives a command to the people, and they reply, "All that the Lord says, we will do." Verse five of chapter three-
Seth: Oh
David: ... and Ruth replied, "All that you say, I will do."
Seth: Oh, okay.
David: She expresses covenant fealty-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... to the covenant, and then there's this covenant ceremony that takes place at the threshing floor of Boaz-
Seth: Okay
David: ... which I'll let you unpack later, but you just have these covenant things happening.
Seth: Mm.
David: There's this ceremony that we don't quite understand about the uncovering of the feet where, you know-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... it could just be a practical thing. We'll talk about that, but there's this thing that's happening, and then the covenant comes.
Seth: "Spread your wings over your servant."
David: Well, uh, that's the, that's the end of the request.
Seth: Okay.
David: But then the covenant is in, it starts in chapter 10 where Boaz says, "May you be blessed, ah, by the Lord, my daughter. You have made this last kindness greater than the first," and then he makes all these promises to her.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: He says, "Do not fear. I will do this thing you ask from me. I'm gonna do X, Y, Z, and, and, you know, it's gonna happen." He makes a covenant promise-
Seth: Mm
David: ... to her. He covenants with her that he will redeem her by any means necessary.
Seth: Amazing.
David: And so it's a covenant ceremony.
Seth: It's a covenant ceremony.
David: Anyway, I just thought that was really cool.
Seth: That's really cool. It proves what we've been saying-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... all along. This is a founding mother of Israel. This is... That's really cool.
David: It's also just brilliant.
Seth: And brilliantly designed.
David: Designed. [laughs]
Seth: Brilliantly designed.
David: Okay, so-
Seth: So, so-
David: Let's do the normal version now
Seth: ... so that's, like, behind the scenes, all the kind of fun, literary, intercanonical connections.
David: Yes.
Seth: But what's really happening-
David: The narrative
Seth: ... the narrative is just rife with sexual tension.
David: Ooh.
Seth: That's kind of the exciting part about this.
David: Money and sex. [laughs]
Seth: Money and sex. Wow. Um, so the way that Naomi says that, um, Ruth should get married-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... is by going to Boaz and essentially, uh, [laughs] so it's a funny story. The-
David: It is a funny story.
Seth: It's a funny story. It's like Naomi wants Ruth to get married.
David: Yep.
Seth: She wants her to be at rest and not have to work in the fields every day. Um, and so she wants to set up a marriage between her and Boaz. Boaz has already taken an interest in her. Ruth's already found favor in his eyes, and he's a redeemer of the family. It's a wise, smart match.
David: Right.
Seth: And so Naomi kinda concocts this kind of brilliant-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... cunning and wise plan to not trick Boaz in marrying, uh, Ruth, but to force the question in, like, the starkest way possible, to force-
David: Yep
Seth: ... Boaz to see Ruth as a really worthy and wise woman to marry.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Um, and so she tells Mo- s- to get dressed up-
David: Yep
Seth: ... to get on her best clothes, and to wait until Boaz is done celebrating the barley harvest.
David: Right.
Seth: So the barley harvest is, this, that's the t- that's a-
David: It's, it's a party
Seth: ... it's a party.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's all in, got no more work to do.
David: That's right.
Seth: It's eat, eat bread, drink wine, and-
David: Be merry
Seth: ... be merry.
David: Yep.
Seth: And to visit him on the threshing floor-
David: Yep
Seth: ... uh, which is-
David: After his heart is glad with wine.
Seth: After his heart is glad with... Which is just, again, it's like, okay, it's the most opportune time. If you say all the sitcoms-
David: It's wise
Seth: ... it's like you wait till your parents are happy after they've eaten-
David: Oh
Seth: ... the meal.
David: Yeah.
Seth: They're sitting down after the television, their first television show, but not before their second, where they're too sleepy.
David: [laughs]
Seth: And, like, that's when you ask your dad for the skateboard.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, so that's what is she, that's what Naomi's, like, doing. [laughs]
David: Right.
Seth: Um, and so once he's falls asleep, what you should do is you should go into the threshing floor, just you and him-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... uncover his feet-
David: Right
Seth: ... and then lay down next to him.
David: And just, and then wait.
Seth: And wait for him to wake up.
David: Yep.
Seth: So, like, a lot of people wanna, like, disparage, uh, Ruth at this moment and say-
David: Right
Seth: ... like, she's being sexually licentious, that's, like, she's doing something wrong here, and w- what they're getting right is that there is actually a lot of sexual tension-
David: Yes
Seth: ... in this, like, it-
David: How can there not be sexual tension?
Seth: A, a single woman-
David: Yes
Seth: ... going to a man alone in the dark at night-
David: After drinking wine
Seth: ... after drinking wine, uncovering-
David: Something
Seth: ... something, his feet
David: Even if, even if it's just his feet, the word, uncovering.
Seth: It's un- yeah, exactly. It's like the, there is sexual tension.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, it, it's like if you, in the middle of the night-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... a beautiful woman that you know, that you've been interested in, that you think she might be interested in you, knocks on your door at midnight, beautifully dressed, with perfume on, says, "Hey, can I come up?"
David: Right, and all she's doing is bringing you that morning's newspaper.
Seth: Right, it's like-
David: It's still, like, weird
Seth: ... it's like, "Oh, what's happening?"
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's like, I'm asleep. Nobody else in the house, but sure.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, there's like that, it's full of sexual tension.
David: Right.
Seth: Um, in the middle of the night-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... he wakes up.
David: Yes.
Seth: Uh, so verse eight says, "At midnight, the man was startled and turned over, and behold, a woman was at his feet." [laughs]
David: A woman. I love how it just anonymizes it.
Seth: Well, yeah.
David: Where it's just like-
Seth: That's part of the genius of it.
David: It is.
Seth: Everybody's shrouded in, like, mystery. Who is there?
David: Yep.
Seth: Who isn't there? It's like, it hide-
David: What was done.
Seth: What was done.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's, it's meant to be kinda covered and secretive.
David: You know, I think we would know better what was going on here if someone was in the room when it happened.
Seth: [laughs] We've been watching Hamilton on Disney Plus.
David: [laughs]
Seth: And everything is a Hamilton reference right now.
David: Anyway, continue.
Seth: Um, so part of the reason I think it was a wise move to uncover his feet-
David: Oh, right
Seth: ... is because at midnight, it's cold.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And if your feet are uncovered, you're gonna start shivering.
David: Sure.
Seth: And the word startled there can mean, like, tremble or tremor.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So it's like he, oh, he started shivering in the middle of the night 'cause his feet were uncovered.
David: Right.
Seth: And Naomi wanted to make sure that he discovered Naomi, or Ruth before the morning, and so he wakes up in the middle of the night, and behold-
David: Right
Seth: ... a woman i- is at his feet.
David: Yes. I'll, I'll, I'll give the converse-
Seth: Okay
David: ... to that idea, um, which would be one of two options. One would be the uncovering of the feet is exposing part of Boaz, not e- anything even sexual.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Even just, like, his naked feet-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... are there in front of her, where they're kind of inculcated in a way now, and it's kind of a catch-22 where it's like, "I've seen your feet. You gotta marry me."
Seth: Right. Yeah, yeah.
David: You know? And it's like that is very, it's innocent, but-But shrewd
Seth: It would've been like, um, like a, like a, a hijab. Like if you had-
David: Yes
Seth: ... taken, like, if you would've-
David: Right
Seth: ... like, oh, like, I've seen your-
David: You've crossed a cultural barrier.
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
David: Not necessarily a sexual one.
Seth: Right.
David: I think that's what, that's what to see here.
Seth: Mm.
David: Uh, the other is she might have shared his blanket.
Seth: Oh, like put herself under-
David: Put her- she uncovered his feet to get herself under the blanket a little bit, which is why she says, "Spread your wings over me." But wings can also mean garment.
Seth: Right, right, right.
David: And so-
Seth: So it could mean, like, blanket-
David: Yep
Seth: ... it could mean, like-
David: It's like you already did spread your garment over me, so now spread your wings over me.
Seth: In either, in either one of those cases, whether it's, like, to make him cold and make sure he wakes up or to cross a cultural line-
David: It's smart
Seth: ... but not, it's just a really-
David: It's smart
Seth: ... smart move.
David: Wise.
Seth: And again, she goes-
David: Which she is the, the Proverbs 30- 31 woman
Seth: ... Proverbs 31, wise, cunning, smart-
David: Yes
Seth: ... taking initiative, bold.
David: Yes.
Seth: And that boldness is just doubled down on when she proposes to Boaz.
David: Yeah.
Seth: She doesn't wait for Boaz to propo-
David: Yeah, she doesn't take Naomi's advice.
Seth: So yeah, Naomi sets out this whole plan, and then she says, "Everything you do, I'll do." And she does all, does it all-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... and then goes one step further.
David: Yes.
Seth: She-
David: Just, yeah, 'cause Naomi says, "Wait to see what he says."
Seth: Right.
David: And then he goes, "Who are you?" "I'm Ruth. Spread your wings over me and, and redeem me." [laughs]
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: It's like, wait, hold on, you, you went too far, Ruth. Always going too far, that Ruth.
Seth: I know, and it's, it's just like in the field.
David: Yep, exactly right.
Seth: She goes, asks for more than what the law requires there.
David: Yep.
Seth: And here she's going beyond Naomi's law and asking for Boaz to redeem her.
David: Right.
Seth: Which is also beyond the law.
David: Yes.
Seth: So going back to the Levirate marriage laws, that applied specifically to the deceased wife's, the deceased husband's brother, period.
David: Right.
Seth: Like, that's what the law describes.
David: Yep.
Seth: So Naomi's taking the law-
David: Yep
Seth: ... and saying, "That principle should apply to me as well, to Naomi and to me as well."
David: Mm-hmm. And so yeah, and it's a double whammy because not only is it not a direct relative-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... like a brother-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... who she's asking to perform redemption, she's not saying, "So go marry Naomi," who is the one who's barren-
Seth: Right
David: ... and without an heir. That's the one, but she's probably too old. She's probably-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... past childbearing years. And so she is putting herself in the position to vicariously be the person who will perform the Levirate marriage.
Seth: Yeah. Normally it would be Elimelech's-
David: Surrogate maybe
Seth: ... a surrogate.
David: Surrogate.
Seth: Elimelech's brother should have performed the kinsman, the Levirate marriage law.
David: That's right, but he's dead.
Seth: But he's dead.
David: Yes.
Seth: So, uh, Naomi is asking for him to marry, for Boaz to marry her on behalf of Elimelech. So this is really important. Naomi is not, or Ruth is not trying to secure for herself-
David: That's right
Seth: ... um, a decent life.
David: Let, okay, I'm gonna just say-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... stop. If you're, if you're listening casually, take a second. Seth, say that again. This is so crucial to understand.
Seth: Ruth is not trying to secure for herself a decent life.
David: That's right.
Seth: She is trying to secure for Naomi a redeemer.
David: That's right. She's not trying to get her own husband. She's not trying to get her own land. She's not trying to get her own child.
Seth: She's trying to get Naomi's land back and give Naomi a son.
David: Yes. She is trying to find someone to put a surrogate baby in her-
Seth: Right
David: ... to then give to Naomi.
Seth: This is why Boaz responds in verse 10-
David: Yes
Seth: ... with, "May you be blessed by the Lord, my daughter, because you have made this kindness greater than the first, because you've not gone after young men, whether poor or rich."
David: Right.
Seth: So what he's meaning there, he's saying, your first kindness was leaving your home, leaving your father, leaving your mother, coming to a land you didn't know. That was your first kindness.
David: And c- and, like, coming out and gleaning on behalf of Naomi.
Seth: Yes.
David: Right? Yeah.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: You've, you've already kind of vicariously been fulfilling the law for Naomi-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... to take her-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... wheat.
Seth: You've already been acting as her surrogate, giving her everything-
David: Exactly
Seth: ... that you've done.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And now you're doing a even greater kindness by not marrying a poor man for love or a rich man for your own status.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: You're marrying me so that Naomi could have her land back, and she might have a son through you.
David: That's right.
Seth: That's, he sees all that happening immediately in front of him because he's aware of the Levirate marriage laws, he's aware of the laws of redemption, and he sees Naomi as being full of Hesed-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... covenant loyalty towards Naomi.
David: Yes.
Seth: Um-
David: This cuts against so many of the normal ways this book is talked about.
Seth: Yes.
David: Where it's like, oh man, Boaz just really had it for Ruth, and Ruth was just swooning over the righteous Boaz. And it's like, no, Ruth was trying to find a surrogate donor. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
David: Like, to, to bear a child for her widowed mother-in-law.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And, like, yes, all of it's kind and full of love, but it's a different kind of love.
Seth: It's not love for Boaz, it's love for Naomi.
David: It's, yes.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yes. That's very good.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah, I really like that.
Seth: Uh, and not, and not, and they probably did like each other.
David: Oh.
Seth: Like, there's probably lots of reasons-
David: Sure, why not?
Seth: ... why.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Like, he's a good man, she's a good woman.
David: She's a good woman.
Seth: Like-
David: Yeah, there's no reason to think that this was a loveless, horrible marriage.
Seth: No.
David: Yeah.
Seth: But-
David: But that's not the driving, motivating factor.
Seth: And what's emphasized consistently is Ruth's loyalty to Naomi.
David: Yes.
Seth: That's what's happening right here. And then Boaz, in response to seeing Ruth's loyalty and love, says, "You are a worthy woman."
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And-
David: Yeah, and everyone knows it. I love he's, everyone around town knows that you're a worthy woman.
Seth: Yeah.
David: I love that.
Seth: It's so good.
David: Yeah. Anyway.
Seth: And he says, "Yes, I'll marry you."
David: Yep.
Seth: "I will be a redeemer."
David: Yep.
Seth: Except, plot twist.
David: Except, plot twist. Here it is.
Seth: There, there's another redeemer.
David: Oh, uh, uh.
Seth: Somebody else could fulfill these obligations.
David: Right. And, like, and-
Seth: And so as a reader, you're like, "No, no, I want Boaz and Ruth to get together."
David: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seth: "I don't want this random guy."
David: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seth: Like, I want them to get together.
David: Right. And I l- but I think this even cuts against some of the romantic tension where he's like, and if he can, great. I'll, we'll, we'll let him.
Seth: Yeah.
David: That's awesome. Because at the end of the day, the goal is redeeming Naomi-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... not getting Ruth a love hookup.
Seth: Yes. That's exactly right.
David: So, like, so again, like, that's, that's well done.
Seth: And think about, think about Naomi. She says, "I'm bitter because I've gone e-"
David: Come in empty.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I went away full-
Seth: Went away full, came in empty
David: ... but I come back empty. But now she has two redeemers-
Seth: Yes
David: ... and all this barley that she can't even eat.
Seth: Ha. Yes.
David: Like, she's-
Seth: There's a surplus of provision.
David: There's surplus pro- provision for Naomi-
Seth: Yep
David: ... because of Ruth.
Seth: Not only is she full, she's overflowing with provision.
David: Yes.
Seth: Wow.
David: Um, and then, and then Boaz says, "Remain here for the night-
Seth: Yep
David: ... and then go away in the morning." And this, so like, again, people will say, like, this is them sleeping together. This is them doing something licentious. Okay, sure, maybe. I don't think so.
Seth: I don't think so either.
David: I think he's protecting the worthy woman, Ruth.
Seth: Exactly.
David: Because imagine the threshing floor. It's somewhere near town. Uh, you have a bunch of people celebrating, partying l- late into the night. The threshing floor, we didn't even mention this, like, is kind of, like, also a known place for, like, little, like-
Seth: Things go down
David: ... trysts in the middle of the night.
Seth: It's like, uh, underneath the bleachers.
David: Yeah, underneath the bleachers.
Seth: [laughs]
David: Yes, underneath the bleachers.
Seth: It's a, it's a, it's, it's a, it's, like, the, the, the parking lot.
David: Yeah, make out hill. [laughs]
Seth: Yeah, make out hill.
David: Make out point.
Seth: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
David: Make out point.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Um, so if somebody sees Ruth walking away from the threshing floor, and they saw Boaz go in beforehand, like, her reputation is tarnished-
Seth: Oh, yeah
David: ... and probably even more easily because she's a Mo- Moabite.
Seth: Right.
David: And-
Seth: They're looking for an excuse to condemn her
David: ... yeah, even though she's a worthy woman, they'll be-
Seth: Right
David: ... "Oh, I knew it."
Seth: Oh, I knew it. Those Moabites.
David: Those Moabites.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: You can't trust them.
Seth: Totally.
David: They had sex with their father.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah, like, Lot. Anyway.
Seth: Oh, right, right, right.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yep.
David: So they were-
Seth: Yep.
David: Yeah.
Seth: That's just how they do things.
David: That's how they do things.
Seth: Yep.
David: That's how their nation was started. That's how they always started.
Seth: Yeah, totally.
David: Yeah. That's how they... So he's prot- I think he's protecting her.
Seth: So that's interesting you bring up the story of Lot because here we have a reversal of that story.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Where instead of a woman going into a drunk man and tricking him into having sex with her-
David: Yes
Seth: ... instead-
David: Mm
Seth: ... you have a woman, a worthy woman, going into probably a buzzed dude.
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: 'Cause he's very witty. He still knows what's going on.
David: Yeah.
Seth: He knows that there's a closer redeemer. He's-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... full of wisdom here, going into just a ha- a married and happy man.
David: Happy man.
Seth: Happy man, and they go to extra lengths not to have sex, not to do something scandalous-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... and end up not bringing about the nation of the Moabites, which ends up f- you know, occasionally falling under God's wrath. Instead, they end up creating the line of David and Jesus-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... in a worthy way.
David: Mm-hmm. That's good.
Seth: So it- it's the unworking-
David: That's good
Seth: ... of the past sins of Lot-
David: That's really good
Seth: ... and his daughters. That's cool.
David: I like that a lot.
Seth: Anyway, and-
David: A lot.
Seth: A lot.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Get it? A lot.
David: A lot.
Seth: My, one of my favorite comments in our, like, r- [laughs] our reviews-
David: Oh, yeah?
Seth: ... is that dad, dad jokes for the win.
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: Great theology and dad jokes for the win.
David: We're, we're dads.
Seth: We're dads. We got that-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... on lock.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Uh, so in the morning, he sends her away with a whole bunch of food.
David: Yep.
Seth: And he tells her, "You must not go back empty-handed to your mother-in-law."
David: Right, because Naomi said, "I am empty."
Seth: I am empty. So again, two redeemers, more food than she can ever eat.
David: Yep.
Seth: She's not empty anymore.
David: Yep, yeah. Boaz is proving to her the first words on his lips are true. Yahweh be with you.
Seth: Mm-hmm, yep.
David: And I'm proving to you Yahweh will bring you provision.
Seth: So how do we see Jesus then in Ruth chapter 3?
David: Whole... I mean, do we do the redemption stuff right now, or do we wait until chapter 4? 'Cause that's everything.
Seth: Well, let's talk about spreading your wings.
David: Great.
Seth: And let's-
David: Let's do that
Seth: ... I had the plan there. So-
David: Yes, so God is often talked about, and we, I think we've talked about this-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... already in l- in the last episode-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... as having these big pinions, these big wings that wrap us up and shelter us and keep us safe, and it's like, "If you want my son, you gotta go through me," kinda thing.
Seth: Yep.
David: Um, Jesus, when he comes to Jerusalem, um, on his last trip to Jerusalem, he looks over the city of Jerusalem and starts to cry-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and just w- is just weeping over the city, and he says, "How I've longed to wrap you up in my wings as a, as a m- as a, like a mother hen covers her chicks."
Seth: Yeah.
David: "If only you would've let me, but you f- you fought me, and you-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... ran away." He just wants to wrap you, wrap you up. So, like, like, Ruth is asking Boaz to do what Jesus does for his church.
Seth: Yes.
David: And so Jesus-
Seth: To wrap them up-
David: Yes
Seth: ... to protect them, to provide salvation in the middle of emptiness-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... in the middle of chaos, in the middle of destitution.
David: Yes.
Seth: Jesus, seeing the broken city of Jerusalem, longs to wrap them in his wings-
David: Right
Seth: ... and provide those things for them.
David: But instead, peop- he's weeping 'cause instead, people kept doing what Naomi's family did. They've been running away.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And they just kept denying and not trusting and running away. What, what does faith in Jesus look like? It looks like coming under his protection, you know?
Seth: Yeah.
David: It, it looks like coming under his protection-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... letting him wrap you up in his wings-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and saying, like, "If you want this child of mine, you'll have to go through me first." And he proved that on the cross.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Like, you know, condemnation, death, if you want them, you have to go through me, and then when it tried to go through Jesus, it got beat.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know? Like, it's just so good.
Seth: And like Ruth, who, like, who considered Naomi's life-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and her salvation as more significant than her own interests or love-
David: Yes
Seth: ... or marriage, Jesus does the same.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: He empties his life so that we, like Naomi, can become full-
David: Yes
Seth: ... and have more than we need. [laughs]
David: Yep. Yeah, as Paul says in Philippians 2, he did not count his status, his equality with God, something to be held onto, right? But instead, he lowered himself and became obedient like a slave, even to death on a cross.
Seth: Yeah.
David: He, he lowered himself, a- and he, he didn't, he didn't hold on to what he should've had or could've had, and that's what Boaz praises Ruth for.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: You didn't marry poor for love or rich for status. You know, you did something that was self-effacing, and ultimately, that will bring about redemption, not only for Naomi, but for the whole world through this child-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and his children, Jesus. And so, uh, it's amazing. Um, yeah. Okay, w- we'll move on, and we'll get to my favorite thing, which will be the redemption stuff. But let's wait till the purchase actually takes place.
Seth: Let's do it. [gentle music]Okay, Boaz has accepted the marriage proposal.
David: Right
Seth: And he has to figure out this issue with the other closer redeemer.
David: That guy.
Seth: And so he go- [laughs]
David: [laughs]
Seth: That guy. So he goes to the city gates.
David: Right
Seth: And-
David: Which is where, like, transactions like this would take place
Seth: It was probably where the marketplace was.
David: It's where the elders of the city hung out.
Seth: That's exactly right. And he goes there early in the morning and waits to see him.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: That's like he's taking initiative, he's going out to the gates, and he's looking for the guy.
David: Yep.
Seth: And as soon as he sees him, he invites him over to all the, where all the elders are and said, "Hey."
David: Here's the deal.
Seth: "Here's the situation. Naomi is selling her plot of land-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... um, and you are the-"
David: Closest redeemer
Seth: ... the closest redeemer. If you want the land, buy it.
David: Right.
Seth: If not, I will buy it. And conveniently-
David: Yep
Seth: ... he leaves out the fact that Ruth is involved at all.
David: Right.
Seth: He doesn't mention it.
David: He mentions the fact that there's kinsmen redemption, Leviticus 25 stuff going on.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: But he leaves out the fact that there is also levirate marriage, Deuteronomy 25 stuff going on.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yes.
Seth: Um, and then he's like, "Well, of course I'll take the land."
David: Yeah. I get to add that to my parcel.
Seth: Yes.
David: Like, bring it on.
Seth: It's, it's no, it's a no, it's a win-win for him-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... because he would get more land-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... more space to, to build crops. And Naomi presumably would either live on that land as its caretaker-
David: Yep
Seth: ... or even work on the land.
David: Right.
Seth: So it's like he has a, a landlord-
David: Yep
Seth: ... and land.
David: It's easy.
Seth: It's an easy win for him, and he has the money to spend on it.
David: Right.
Seth: So he's happy. Then Boaz says, "But wait, there's more." [laughs]
David: [laughs] What's behind door number three?
Seth: Yes. Um, he says, "The day you buy the field from the hand of Naomi, you also acquire Ruth the Moabite."
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And he mentions her race here.
David: Oh, he does. That's true.
Seth: Of her ethnicity here, 'cause I think, and I think that's probably intentional.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Um, the widow of the dead, and which is-
David: Yep
Seth: ... it, it... He's referred to Elimelech, but, like, um-
David: The widow of the dead I think would, would invoke in him the idea of Deuteronomy 25.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: Yes.
Seth: So technically, uh, she's not the widow of the dead.
David: Right.
Seth: Right. But, like, connected-
David: Yes
Seth: ... of-
David: She is the widow of a de- of a dead man, though.
Seth: Yes, but-
David: But just not the dead man whose, whose-
Seth: Not Elimelech
David: ... property is at stake.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: Yes.
Seth: It should have... Yeah, anyway. Um, and then she said, "In order to perpetuate the name of the dead and his inheritance."
David: Right
Seth: So-
David: Which would, would be Elimelech
Seth: ... not Elimelech.
David: Yeah, would be Elimelech, yes.
Seth: Um, then the redeemer said, "I can't redeem it for myself," because it would cost him too much, lest he impair his own inheritance.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So the idea would be there is that now he realizes in order to invite Naomi into his family, he would have to marry her, have a son, and then that, all that property would then belong to, uh, Ruth's son-
David: Yes
Seth: ... instead of him.
David: Which means the guy didn't really wanna redeem the land. He wanted to acquire the land.
Seth: Yes.
David: Because it's really the same cost-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... if h- if his intention was to redeem it, which would be to buy it back and give it to Naomi.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: But that was not his intention.
Seth: Right.
David: His intention was to buy it, grow his estate, and now that we, he, he's learned that once there's an heir apparent-
Seth: Yep
David: ... then he would have to forfeit that, even if it was at the year of Jubilee.
Seth: Yeah.
David: At the worst case scenario, it still won't be his land.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know? And so anyway.
Seth: And then essentially then he's just losing a bunch of money.
David: Right.
Seth: And he's not able to provide for his sons as well.
David: That's right.
Seth: So it's just, it's like, it's a $300,000 bath for his sons' inheritance.
David: Yes.
Seth: It's like, it's, I can't.
David: I can't do it.
Seth: I can't do it.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Uh-
David: And, and to be fair, neither, quote unquote, could Boaz. It's, it w- it will ruin Boaz or any other redeemer just as much as it would've ruined this person.
Seth: Yeah, so it's like he's doing s- like Orpa-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... left and did the smart thing and went back to her mother's house.
David: Yes, that's right.
Seth: He's actually doing, like, the fiscally responsible thing-
David: Absolutely
Seth: ... in providing for his family.
David: That would financially ruin me.
Seth: That would... And so Boaz is the one who's being extravagant-
David: Yes
Seth: ... wasteful, sacrificial.
David: Prodigal.
Seth: Prodigal, in order to provide for a Moabite woman.
David: [laughs]
Seth: Like, it's like the scandal is pretty, it's thick.
David: So cool.
Seth: Um, and then they seal the deal with the strange sandal ceremony.
David: Yep, which-
Seth: Which no, no one knows. It has roots in-
David: What was it?
Seth: ... Deuteronomy twen- uh, Deuteronomy 25-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... where the, where the kinsmen rede- the levirate marriage laws are mentioned.
David: Right.
Seth: Uh, so there is some connection there.
David: It's like whenever someone refuses.
Seth: Yeah, so it's kinda the opposite meaning almost. So it's like whenever somebody refuses to become a kinsman redeemer, you're supposed to, they're supposed to take their shoe off, hand it to you, and you're supposed to spit in their face because you reject-
David: It's a way to shame them
Seth: ... it's a way to shame them.
David: Mm.
Seth: But here, it doesn't carry any of those shameful connotations. It just has the connotation of sealing a deal.
David: Like a contract.
Seth: Like a contract.
David: Shaking hands.
Seth: Like shaking hands. So there's probably just some, like, kind of, like, cultural, like-
David: That the culture has developed that law in such a way, and its o- its original meaning is now-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... just undiscoverable to us.
Seth: And, again, the levirate marriage law doesn't really apply in this situation-
David: Right
Seth: ... because normally it's the brother of the deceased husband. But again, this is now the daughter-in-law of the mother, like-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... the mother-in-law's daughter-in-law who is asking for the redeemer.
David: Right.
Seth: So it's like-
David: Whose shoe comes off in this story?
Seth: [laughs] It's, uh-
David: Is it Boaz's shoe or the guy who did not redeem?
Seth: "So then when the redeemer said to Boaz, 'Buy it for yourself,' he took off his sandal. And then Boaz said to the elders, all the people, 'You are witnesses this day that I have bought the hand of Naomi-
David: Oh, so the re-
Seth: ... all that belongs to Elimelech.'"
David: So the redeemer who said no took off his sandal.
Seth: Yes.
David: Is that in, in d- in Deuteronomy 25, is it the person who refuses to redeem, is he the one who takes off his sandal? Or it-
Seth: I'd have to reread it.
David: Okay.
Seth: Yeah.
David: 'Cause I'm very curious about that be-
Seth: Why?
David: Well, because if it's true, then he is basically accepting this shameful curse on himself, where, like, he's-
Seth: Mm
David: ... he knows he's breaking the law in a sense.
Seth: Yeah. Uh, his, the first son bears it. However, if the man does not wanna marry his brother's wife, da, da, da, da.His brother's widow shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, take off one of his sandals, spit in his face and say, "This is what is done to the man who will not build up his brother's line." So the other-
David: Oh, I see. Yep
Seth: ... is Boaz in that situation could t- take off his shoe, slap him in the face with the shoe and spit in his face.
David: Right. But instead, the guy takes off his own shoe-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... as a way to kind of say like, "Hey, I know... I'm- I'm- I'm giving up my right as kinsman-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... redeemer," was- was-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... I think is what's happening here.
Seth: Yes.
David: Okay.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: That makes sense.
Seth: Yep.
David: That makes sense. Okay.
Seth: Totally makes sense.
David: Cool.
Seth: And verse 10. So he-
David: Which is again, sorry, uh, like, uh, y- Ruth is called an honorable woman.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: This sandal ceremony would've been a sign of shame.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: And so Boaz is proving himself and Ruth to be honorable.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And this passive redeemer who gives up his right and responsibility-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... is given shame.
Seth: Yeah. I mean, there's no shame in the passage.
David: No, but-
Seth: But it's like he- it's- if you read back into the context, it heightens the costliness and the-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... worthiness and the righteousness of Boaz.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Boaz is just an exemplary man.
David: Yep.
Seth: He's an exemplary sac- sac-
David: Yep
Seth: ... sacrificial man.
David: This whole part of the story was given not to create romantic tension, but to be a foil to show you just how extravagant Boaz has to be to do what Ruth is asking him to do.
Seth: Yep. And then he tells the c- the crowd, "I have acquired Ruth the Moabite to perpetuate the name of the dead and his inheritance. The name of the dead may not be cut off from among his brothers and from the gate of the native place. You are witnesses to this day."
David: Mm.
Seth: Boaz knows he's not doing it for himself-
David: Right
Seth: ... but for Naomi's family.
David: And not even for Ruth.
Seth: Not even for Ruth.
David: Right.
Seth: But for Naomi's family.
David: They're both doing something extremely self-sacrificial that doesn't even benefit themselves. They're- they're both doing something for someone else.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yes.
Seth: And then the crowd responds by looking to, uh... I'm- I think it's looking to, uh, Ruth and saying, "May the Lord make the woman who is coming into your house like Rachel and Leah, who together built up the house of the Lord."
David: Yeah.
Seth: "May- may you act worthily in Epaphrath and be renowned in Bethlehem, and may your house be like the p- house of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah." So what's happening here-
David: Oof
Seth: ... is that the crowd, the elders of the town, is recognizing what's happening here is within the line of character of God, in line with the c- character of the patriarchs-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and he's doing something faithful to the covenants that God has made previously.
David: Yep.
Seth: He's acting like, uh... He's p- perpetuating the Messianic, the line of Israel so that it's not destroyed.
David: Yep.
Seth: Which is, that's what he's doing.
David: Yeah. We're getting kind of a matrilineal line here.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And it's specifically toward Rachel, Leah-
David: Leah
Seth: ... uh, Tama-
David: And Tamar
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah.
Seth: It's like all these women, they... And so what's funny here then is how the- the- the- the attention is drawn away from Boaz's act of sacrifice-
David: Right
Seth: ... and back onto Ruth.
David: Yes.
Seth: Yes, Boaz is being sacrificial, but Ruth is the one who initiated it, and ultimately, Ruth is the one who's gonna have the child.
David: Right.
Seth: And so, and again, we keep saying, like, Naomi's this founding mother of Israel, keeps recalling all these passages back from Abraham's covenant, and so they're saying, "Be like the f- other founding mothers of Israel-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... Rachel and Leah and Tamar, who by their initiative-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... secured the family line," specifically with Tamar. So Tamar is a crazy story, and you can go back to our Genesis podcast-
David: Right
Seth: ... for that one. But she, by her own clever initiative, engages in some sexually kind of, uh, strange acts-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... just like Ruth is kind of implicated, some sexually tense-filled moments, and secures the continuation of a line that's not really about her specific line, but the line-
David: The line of Judah
Seth: ... the line of Judah.
David: Yep.
Seth: God's line.
David: Yes. Wow. Okay.
Seth: So-
David: So, um, this announcement is made, and then it all comes to pass.
Seth: Yep.
David: Uh, this is kind of the they lived happily ever ac- after section.
Seth: That's exactly right.
David: It just resolves really quickly.
Seth: It does.
David: And they got married, and they had a baby, and its name was Obed, and Naomi is happy again.
Seth: That's exactly right. [laughs]
David: And the fo- and again, to pro- to prove our point, the focus is not on Boaz and Ruth.
Seth: It's on Naomi.
David: It's on Naomi.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: The story ends with Naomi.
Seth: Yeah. Uh, then the women said to Naomi, verse 14-
David: Uh-huh
Seth: ... "Blessed be the Lord, who has not left you this day without a redeemer-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and may his name be renowned in Israel. He shall be to you a restorer of life and a nourisher of your old age, for your daughter-in-law, who loves you, who is more to you than seven sons, has given-
David: Hmm
Seth: ... birth to him." Then Naomi took the child and laid him in her lap bec- and became his nurse. So what you're seeing here is the story recentering on Naomi.
David: Yeah.
Seth: So Ruth has the child, and it becomes Naomi's.
David: Yes, because, I mean, read verse 17. Uh, a s- uh, this is, uh, "A woman and the women of the neighborhood gave him a name, saying, 'A son has been born to Naomi.'"
Seth: To Naomi.
David: Wait, hold on. This is Ruth's kid, right?
Seth: Right.
David: No, not when it comes to what's happening here with redemption.
Seth: Right.
David: What's happening is this kid is actually Naomi's because Ruth has, has performed vicarious redemption-
Seth: Mm
David: ... surrogate redemption. She has surrogately bought back and borne a child for and on behalf of Naomi.
Seth: Yep.
David: Yeah.
Seth: And that son, so it, it... I don't know if you wanna go here yet, but that son-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... becomes Naomi's redeemer.
David: Yes.
Seth: So, "Blessed be the Lord, who has not left you," they say, "without a redeemer." And that's a reference to Obed, not to Boaz-
David: Mm
Seth: ... because that son is going to grow up-
David: Oh
Seth: ... and provide for Naomi-
David: Verse 16
Seth: ... in her, in her old age.
David: Yep.
Seth: So-
David: "He shall be to you a restorer of life and a nourisher of your old age."
Seth: That's exactly right. So Obed becomes the redeemer because of the redemption of Boaz because of the initiative-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... of Ruth. That's what's happening, and that becomes true in more ways than one because Obed becomes-The father of David.
David: Yes.
Seth: The woman whose husband names the king is dead, her son becomes the king of all Israel.
David: Yes.
Seth: Like [laughs] so-
David: Yes
Seth: Yes.
David: Right. The king... Yeah, yeah, her husband's, the king is dead, and now her son or grandson-
Seth: Becomes the king of Israel
David: ... becomes the king of Israel.
Seth: Yes.
David: Yeah.
Seth: She-
David: The consummate king of Israel
Seth: ... came in empty.
David: Mm.
Seth: And then she was filled by the Lord.
David: Yes. Oh, wow. That's beautiful.
Seth: And third level of meaning, she was redeemed because the son of David is Jesus.
David: Yes.
Seth: Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the redemption of Naomi.
David: Yes. Yes, her land was bought back in this story.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Yes, her name, her family's name, was preserved in this story, but there is something that stands against her, a record of debt that stands against her, from which not even, um, Boaz could redeem.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Right? The record of her law-breaking-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... that stood against her was still, um, a black mark-
Seth: Yeah, yep
David: ... on her. A- and Jesus, when he came and died on the cross for her, like, He redeemed her. He bought her back from the curse of the law that she and every Israelite-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and human being is under.
Seth: Yeah. And even to double down on the land, Israel would eventually lose its land.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: So, like, yes, she gets her land back.
David: Oh, right.
Seth: And yes, David expands the land, but David also eventually loses the land.
David: Yep.
Seth: So right before Jesus is born, they're in the same place as Naomi was.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: They're exiled from... They're in power. They're enslaved by the-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... Roman, by a Roman occupying force.
David: Yep.
Seth: Their land is theirs, but not really theirs.
David: Yeah, and most of the leaders are, like, Hellenized puppets of-
Seth: Yep
David: ... the Romans.
Seth: The land needs to be redeemed from people that own it.
David: Yep.
Seth: They need to be redeemed from their own sins-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... which caused them to go into exile in the first place.
David: Yes.
Seth: And their homeland is not their home anymore.
David: Right.
Seth: So when... So the story of Jesus is, again, the story of Ruth. You have people who are not, who need to be redeemed-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... who do not have a home, who are sinful and don't really deserve access to the blessings of the covenant, and yet there is a man, like Boaz, who comes and at great cost to himself secures a covenant and a land-
David: Mm
Seth: ... and forgiveness for the people that trust in the Lord.
David: Yeah.
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: That is amazing.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Yeah, there's so many layers there to pull back. I think how we should land the plane-
Seth: Yes
David: ... is to talk about w- how does Jesus redeem us?
Seth: Mm.
David: Because I think what's so interesting about the Book of Ruth is that it actually goes into the economy of redemption.
Seth: Yeah.
David: You know, which, like, is confusing, one, and two, is very filled with, uh, differing opinions, and conflict, and theological disagreements, and things like that, and I just think it's very clear what's happening here. So, uh, I think the, the main thing to pull out, uh, of this is this theme of vicarious redemption.
Seth: Okay.
David: Yes.
Seth: Which just means redeeming somebody that's not yourself. Like, redeeming on behalf of somebody else.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: Surrogate redemption is what-
David: Yes
Seth: ... everybody else would say.
David: And so, like, the, the, the easy one to see is, like, Boaz, like, so, like, um, like, uh, sorry. Naomi has to sell her land, and she's gonna miss out on it, all these blessings and everything like that. So Boaz buys the land, pays the debt, and gives Naomi something that she could not afford herself, right? That, I mean, that's a really clear way to talk about how Jesus redeems us. We have a debt, right?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: We are sold to sin every day. Like-
Seth: Yeah, I mean, even Romans talks about the wages of sin.
David: Exactly right.
Seth: The, the proper salary for sin-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... is death.
David: Is death.
Seth: Yeah.
David: That's right, and Jesus pays that debt by dying.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: He pays it.
Seth: He-
David: And so now we get something we didn't deserve, which is life.
Seth: Yeah. It, yeah.
David: Yeah, and so, like, that's just, that's redemption. Jesus buys us back from death by paying the wage of death Himself.
Seth: Yes.
David: He pays it. There's a price for our sin-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... and it's death.
Seth: In the same way that there was a wage, it was the mortgage on-
David: Yep
Seth: ... the land that was paid by Boaz-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... at great cost to himself.
David: At great cost.
Seth: And really, it should harm his inheritance-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... yet he does it anyway-
David: That's right
Seth: ... to give life to people who deserve, who should have died by both circumstance and by willful disobedience.
David: That's right. That's right, and so I, I think we need to see Jesus as Boaz here.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: That Boaz, at great cost to himself, redeems Naomi, and it, he doesn't get anything from it. I mean, it's why the other redeemer walked away from the deal.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: I mean, any other redeemer other than Jesus would've walked away from the cross.
Seth: Yeah.
David: I mean, like-
Seth: Yeah, yeah
David: ... like, uh, it's like that song that, like, has a bridge. Like, what other king leaves his throne? What other k- king leaves his glory? Any other king would've walked away from that deal.
Seth: Yeah.
David: But Jesus, at great cost to Himself, goes to the cross to buy us back from death.
Seth: Yeah, and Jesus is also like Ruth-
David: Yes, yes
Seth: ... who by His initiative, by His cunning, by His wisdom secures for us the contin- like, secures, like, His divine line in us.
David: Mm-hmm, that's right.
Seth: So it's like if there is a divine messianic line that brings about salvation in Jesus-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... that's, like, the line of David, the line of Obed, the line of Ruth-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... that doesn't end with-
David: Jesus
Seth: ... Jesus.
David: He now has offspring who are born by believing in Him.
Seth: Yeah.
David: We are His body and His bride and His people.
Seth: Yeah.
David: So how do we become-
Seth: Adopted-
David: Yes
Seth: ... into Jesus' family-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... by the cunning, the initiative, and the boldness of Jesus to... I'm trying to think of, like, a way to, like, go to a threshing floor moment and, like, do that with, with, with, with Jesus and the cross. But like-
David: Well, I, i- yeah, I mean, it is the cross, though.
Seth: It is the cross.
David: Yeah. It's absolutely the cross. There was, there, like, I mean, and, and I think the, the shrewdness is the way Jesus tricked death itself.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Is that, like, he was wise. Like, the greatest wisdom is Jesus dying on the cross, Paul says in 1 Corinthians.
Seth: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
David: And so, like, it was wisdom for Jesus to die on the cross because death was tricked.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And, like, he, they thought they were killing the Son of God, but really, they were only killing death itself.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so, like, yes, Jesus in his shrewdness was doing that. I think w- as we're talking about Ruth and how to see Jesus as Ruth, as the vicarious redeemer-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... because Boaz is not the vicarious redeemer. He just buys it.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: Right?
Seth: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
David: Ruth is the surrogate-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... vicariously redeeming Naomi, having a son that is not hers.
Seth: He, Jesus is the one that leaves his homeland.
David: Yes.
Seth: Jesus is the one who leaves his father. Jesus is the one who leaves his mother. Jesus is the one who would rather marry, who would rather secure a marriage with a whore-
David: Yeah. [laughs]
Seth: ... is another way of describing, like, unfaithful church-
David: Yes
Seth: ... than, like, marrying for love-
David: Right
Seth: ... or status.
David: Yes.
Seth: Like-
David: Yes
Seth: ... like, he, Jesus marries himself to us, not because we're the best for him personally-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... not because we're the most worthy-
David: Right
Seth: ... but because it accomplishes salvation for all of his people.
David: Mm-hmm, in order for him to show covenant love and faithfulness-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... to those who don't deserve it.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And I just think it's... I, I think a lot of times when we talk about vicarious redemption or, or i- in theological circles, we talk about vicarious atonement, that-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... that somehow Jesus and, and the right- his righteousness-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... his life, his goodness, his favor and position as a Son of God, right-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... as the Son of God-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... um, that that could somehow be credited to us. People are just like, "That's not how things work." You know? Like, that's just not-
Seth: Right
David: ... like, imputed righteousness is, is what that's called.
Seth: Yeah.
David: When, when the goodness and status of Jesus is counted as mine, that's called imputed righteousness or vicarious-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... atonement.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: His, he is, he... Anyway.
Seth: Yeah, yeah.
David: And I think people are often like, "I just don't get that. That's not how that works."
Seth: Right.
David: And it's like we see the economy of how that can work here in Ruth-
Seth: Right, right, right
David: ... that Ruth is the one bearing the child, going through the nine months, going through the labor pains, right? Like, bringing a child-
Seth: Yeah, the one leaving the family-
David: Exactly
Seth: ... going to a foreign country.
David: All the cost is hers, and all the reward is Naomi's.
Seth: Yeah.
David: It's now Naomi's. A child has been born to Naomi? That's not Naomi's kid.
Seth: Right.
David: Well, it's the same thing.
Seth: It almost-
David: That's not my righteousness.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Christ's righteousness, I didn't earn it, but it is mine never- nevertheless.
Seth: Yeah. It's almost a diminishment of Ruth's involvement. Like, wait, Naomi's, it's Naomi's son? What did she do? Nothing.
David: Yes.
Seth: And that's entirely the point.
David: That's the, that's the whole point of grace. [laughs]
Seth: W- we are not saved by our works.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: We're not saved by our certainty. We're not saved-
David: [laughs]
Seth: ... because of our ethnic lineage.
David: Right. We come to God with our emptiness, like Naomi came back to Bethlehem, and God provides, miraculously, a redeemer for us to go and get all the bread we need, pay all the debts we owe, and bring us into-
Seth: Mm-hmm
David: ... the lineage that we need. He brings us a redeemer, who is Jesus.
Seth: A redeemer in Bethlehem.
David: Yes, a redeemer-
Seth: [laughs]
David: ... who came from Bethlehem-
Seth: Yeah. [laughs]
David: ... to buy us back. All God wants you to do is come to him with his, with your emptiness, like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and he will fill you up, and you will be able to say, "His righteousness is now mine. His life is now mine. His status is now mine. God has borne this day to me a son." Like, that is what's happening here-
Seth: That's good news
David: ... in Ruth. So at the end of the day, we're Naomi. We are empty, sinful, and hopeless, and Jesus does everything to fill us up.
Seth: [laughs] That's good. That's good. And I was even, I, this is just a side note, but it's like, I like how Jesus is God, who is the Father-
David: Mm-hmm
Seth: ... and the Holy Spirit, and the Trinity is a complex thing-
David: Yes
Seth: ... in that, but, like, the economy of redemption happens within the working of the Trinity.
David: Mm-hmm.
Seth: And when you try to start thinking about, like, well, how does that work-
David: Right
Seth: ... in real life, you automatically have to have multiple people. Like-
David: Yes
Seth: ... you have three-
David: Yep
Seth: ... you, you have multiple actors simultaneously, in human terms-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... in order to accomplish what God does within himself.
David: Yes. And just, like, to make a note here about just the makeup of the Bible-
Seth: Okay
David: ... and the brilliance of God, and really the reason Spoken Gospel exists-
Seth: Continue
David: ... is that God has done a beautiful thing in acting out in a human drama the story of our redemption. Like, because otherwise, if we didn't have stories like this or books like Leviticus, we wouldn't understand what Jesus did for us on the cross. God had to tell us a long, beautiful, involved story for us to even be able to scratch the surface of understanding what occurred at Golgotha.
Seth: Mm-hmm.
David: You know? Like-
Seth: Yeah
David: ... and I just think that's why I do this podcast, [laughs] and why we make stuff at Spoken Gospel, is because the more we dig into the l- the, our first and longest gospel, which is the Old Testament- [laughs]
Seth: Yeah
David: ... the more we get to see the beauty of what happened when Jesus was nailed to that tree.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so anyway, I just think this is a beautiful picture of that.
Seth: It is.
David: Yeah. Well, thank you guys for joining us in the Book of Ruth. This has been a blessing for us. I've really enjoyed it. Uh, if you enjoyed it, please, uh, leave a review on our podcast.
Seth: Yeah.
David: We are, like, at, at this, at the time of this recording, we're five reviews away from our first 100 reviews. And-
Seth: Get us to 100, guys.
David: Yeah. So that'd be great.
Seth: And it, it's not just vanity, that-
David: No
Seth: ... like, that's actually how people see more of Jesus on-
David: Yeah
Seth: ... iTunes and Spotify.
David: When you, when you like, when you leave a review, it tells the iTunes algorithm-
Seth: Algorithm
David: ... to sh- send our show to other people.
Seth: Yeah.
David: And so if you like this show and want other people to discover it, leave a review, uh, leave a rating. Uh, anyway, regardless of all that, we appreciate you guys.
Seth: Yeah.
David: Thank you for listening, and we will see you next time. [upbeat music]
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